Reciprocating feeder

Posted in: , on 3. Dec. 2005 - 18:35

My company is looking to replace an existing reciprocating feeder in a scrapyard. The feeder was built in the 50's (estimated) and is wore out. The feeder is a single mass feeder that is supported on fiberglass panels for springs. Is this somethnig that is commonly done or are the fiberglass plates outdated? I want to recommend using a different spring setup such as coil springs or the Rosta type supports(with the rubber dampers). Does anyone have any suggestions on what is best, or should I just stick with what is currently working?

There current feeder is 45 ft long and has a 36 inch wide shaker bed with a 6 inch leg turned up on each side. It is all half inch steel plate. The customer wants to add a 1/2" AR 400 lining to the bottom of the bed so I need to recalculate my spring stiffness anyway. I estimate the new shaker pan to weigh about 6700 lbs., about 2800 lbs more than the current design.

My plan to measure the stiffness of the current panels is to simply hang weights from the end of them and measure the deflection, any better methods? The panels are now mounted at a very shallow angle, about 55 degrees off of vertical, which I guess gives them a lot of uplift and separates their parts which is their goal. The Rosta style mounts recommend an angle of no more than 30 degrees off of vertical. Do I need to consider changing my angle? How does the angle affect the flow rate? I estimate that the speed will be about 50% faster at the 30 deqree angle, can anyone verify?

I think that's enough questions for now, thanks in advance...

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Vibrating Feeder

Posted on 4. Dec. 2005 - 10:59

Unfortunately the only feeders we deal with are Vibrating Feeders used on our Bulkflow Heat Exchangers to obtain mass flow of the product to be cooled or heated. The largest feeders we do are 6'x4'.

I suggest a call to Joe Marinelli. You can find him in the <http://www.powderandbulk.com>www.powderandbulk.com under "Ask Joe" column. He is a mass flow expert.

Regards,

Mr. Claudio E. Forniciov, P.Eng.

Vice President

Bulkflow Technologies Inc.

https://edir.bulk-online.com/profile...al-science.htm

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Re: Reciprocating Feeder

Posted on 4. Dec. 2005 - 02:14

At that length, you have a vibratory conveyor. E-mail your contact information and we can have a quote generated. Yes you can have coil springs included.

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Vibrating Feeder

Posted on 4. Dec. 2005 - 05:47

Drastically changing tray weight typically results in overworked drives and equipment failure. It may be prudent to have someone review or revisit this installation.

Thank you for your interest in Eriez.

Al Gedgaudas

Eriez Magnetics

Reciprocating Feeder

Posted on 7. Dec. 2005 - 10:52

We manufacture a very efficient quiet [typically 44 dB[A] when empty] range of 23Hz electro magnetic vibratory conveyors, we primarily work in the food industry but, also serve the pharmaceutical, chemical, foundry and steel industries.

We could not make a vibrator to the length you require in one unit but, could achieve this in 6 metre multiples dependant on the product.

If this is of interest to you please contact us.

Kind regards

Andy Cox

Commercial Director

Cox & Plant Products Ltd

www.coxandplant.com

Reciprocating Scrap Feeder

Posted on 9. Dec. 2005 - 08:55

Dear SFB: do you have a real name? :>)

1. You can add the 1/2" steel plate liners, no prob, except you MUST have new feeder designed from scratch to ensure we still maintain proper STROKE amplitude to move material. The supplier justs calcs in extra weight from KNOWN information.

2. Fiberglass panels are COMMON as a standard item and dependable and proven. No problem with these normally. I would not consider OUTDATED.

3. ROSTAS XL, but are a different theory than fiberglass springs. Two things: just double check with Original supplier or manufacturer TO ensure ROSTA is in fact ok to retrofit into this position in lieu of plastic springs. ROSTA will confirm if ok.

We use ROSTAS many times and regularly in lieu of coil springs on inclined or horizontal vibrating screens and the dampening of vibrations during shutdown is incredible. VERY quiet, controls hammering on shutdown beautifully...just a tad expensive VS coil springs. Last a lot longer than coils though.

Plastic panel DEFLECTION rate: Be very careful here, these are actually calculated to ensure we are STROKING the material plus minus 1" ahead to MOVE material from feedend to discharge end of conveyor length.

FLOW RATE: 55 degree off the vertical line is about right or normal setup and is CRITICAL actually.....it means we are stroking the material on every reciprocal movement down towards the discharge end to achieve TPH. IF WE were to adjust the stroke angle here......say to 90 deg from zero deg horizontal, the material would just GO UP AND DOWN and not move towards the DISCHARGE END at all and make flowrate ZERO.

If speed is faster with ROSTAS, slow motor down......is it variable or fixed speed? ROSTAS are used on lots of these rigs with no problem at all. Just have to do the homework with ROSTA and the factory that supplied MR FEEDER.

SUMMARY: if you have had no major problem with the leaf springs setup maintenance wise, stick with what you have. If maintenance problematic with fiberglas.......consider change.

If it aint broke.......Coil springs are common as well.

This is a straight PAN feeder, no grizzlies or perf plate to remove dirt etc I assume.

AR 400 1/2" thick liners.......is there a big problem, wearing out pan bottom here? I assume it had liners originally?

Probably MILD STEEL LINERS....like AR 250 maybe? I would suggest stay with original liner thickness......just upgrade to better ABRASIVE RESISTANT number....(AR400).

You gain liner life but, do not have to recalculate the planet here, decrease bearing life and achieve the same end.

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LASTLY, A brute force twin shaft feeder would not be applicable here.......45 foot long......excludes....BUT, it would do the job....easily at say 20-24 feet long all day. Different theory but, same result. ELECTOMAGNETIC feeders here....not big enough length wise.

Hope this helps.......let me know if any further questions.

Best Regards, George Baker Regional Sales Manager - Canada TELSMITH Inc Mequon, WI 1-519-242-6664 Cell E: (work) [email]gbaker@telsmith.com[/email] E: (home) [email] gggman353@gmail.com[/email] website: [url]www.telsmith.com[/url] Manufacturer of portable, modular and stationary mineral processing equipment for the aggregate and mining industries.

Re: Reciprocating Feeder

Posted on 9. Dec. 2005 - 07:45

Thanks, George, that is a lot of good information.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the following statement, what am I being careful of?

"Plastic panel DEFLECTION rate: Be very careful here, these are actually calculated to ensure we are STROKING the material plus minus 1" ahead to MOVE material from feedend to discharge end of conveyor length."

The current setup for the drive is an eccentric shaft with a stiff linkage attached to the conveyor. The shaft is 4" in the middle and 2 3/8" on the ends giving a stroke radius of 13/16", just in case you were wondering.

Rob Brooker

Conveyor Services Inc.

Covington, KY

Reciprocating

Posted on 9. Dec. 2005 - 08:19

So ..... this is actually a true reciprocating feeder......where the pan extends out........the material drops off and the pan reciprocates back to load again and then we repeat the action?

As is the case in this business, sometimes our terms lead to misunderstanding til we talk some more.

The 45' long part is the kicker here....that is a long reciprocating feeder. Could you tell me the manufacturer brand please?

Can you get me a digital pic.......would be great. You can email it to me if easier on my listed email in my profile for review.

Appreciated.

Best Regards, George Baker Regional Sales Manager - Canada TELSMITH Inc Mequon, WI 1-519-242-6664 Cell E: (work) [email]gbaker@telsmith.com[/email] E: (home) [email] gggman353@gmail.com[/email] website: [url]www.telsmith.com[/url] Manufacturer of portable, modular and stationary mineral processing equipment for the aggregate and mining industries.

Re: Reciprocating Feeder

Posted on 9. Dec. 2005 - 09:44

George,

No, it is not the way you describe it. The shaft rotates at about 340 RPM so the pan continuously oscillates. (See picture on attached PDF) The material is fed from a shear/shredder that cuts up scrap metal (this is in a scrap yard). The feed from the shear is variable but it is almost continuosly loaded onto the shaker. There are then some poor souls who have to pick throught the metal and remove certain items, such as electric motor windings. These items are put into bins and the rest is fed onto a belt conveyor which stacks it for further processing.

As far as the manufacturer I have no clue. This machine is pretty old (about 50 years) and has no identifying markings. It is in a scrap yard so it has been hacked to death through the years. I may be able to get a picture tomorrow but I can't make any promises.

Thanks,

Rob Brooker

Conveyor Services Inc.

Re: Reciprocating Feeder

Posted on 10. Dec. 2005 - 04:01

Rob

The simplest solution to your problem is to design a feeder that can replace the old one - will have the same outline and supports. It should not be a problem for any screen manufacturer. If you have any problems let me know and I can help you with design.

regards

Ziggy

Ziggy Gregory www.vibfem.com.au

Re: Reciprocating Feeder

Posted on 10. Dec. 2005 - 07:53

Can anyone recommend a good, comprehensive, guide manual for designing and building shaker feeders. It seems like we are getting into this more and more, and I need some good reference manuals. I would like textbook type book with charts, calculations, examples and pictures. I would prefer to spend less than $300.

Thanks,

Rob Brooker

Conveyor Services Inc.

Re: Reciprocating Feeder

Posted on 10. Dec. 2005 - 11:49

Rob

There are some articles about design and internal manuals (eg Allis Chalmers). Feeders are relatively rigid so that would make the design much simpler than the screen but even though i always use FEA to determine the static stresses and natural frequencies. Springs you can calculate or give the loads to the spring supplier and he will do it for you - you should check static, dynamic and transient loads.

Regards

Ziggy Gregory

Ziggy Gregory www.vibfem.com.au
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Reciprocating Feeder

Posted on 14. Dec. 2005 - 12:49

FAO: Steelforbrains

We cannot help in the design of your feeder. However, we can advise that the fibreglass spring material is still available and widely used.

You may like to look at the following sites. Both give guides on the use of the material in your type of application.

www.heathcotes.com

www.prause-durotec.de

Hope this helps.

Regards

Paul Genner

Chief Applications Engineer

Eriez Magnetics Europe Ltd

Re: Reciprocating Feeder

Posted on 15. Dec. 2005 - 02:15

Thanks Paul those sites were very helpful. Does anyone know of a distributor in the US? I would prefer a place in the Cincinnati, OH/Midwestern area.

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Re: Reciprocating Feeder

Posted on 19. Sep. 2007 - 07:24

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