How much power consumption saved if I reduce 10% of convey velocity?

Posted in: , on 28. Feb. 2006 - 07:01

I have a calculation for dilute phase.

If I reduce 10% of pick up velocity, 27% of energy will be saved.

Q#V

DP#V^2

Power#DP*Q

Thus

Power#V^3

so saving: 1-90%^3=27%

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Q#V

Posted on 28. Feb. 2006 - 06:58

Dear Shenjie,

Your equations apply to airflow only.

For pneumatic conveying this is not sufficient.

The energy, used for the conveying of the material can be divided in parts of which the most important are :

-velocity losses ----> lower at lower speed

-loading ratio losses ----> higher at lower speed

-suspension losses ----> higher at lower speed

The summary of the above mentioned 3 energies can be positive or negative, depending on the original conditions.

The same can be expected on the capacity change of the system.

Your approach was too simple.

( Your theory gives the maximum savings, when the pickup velocity = 0)

( 1 – 0%^3 = 100% saving)

Best regards,

Teus

Re: Q#V

Posted on 1. Mar. 2006 - 06:51

-velocity losses ----> lower at lower speed

-loading ratio losses ----> higher at lower speed

-suspension losses ----> higher at lower speed

The summary of the above mentioned 3 energies can be positive or negative, depending on the original conditions.

The same can be expected on the capacity change of the system.

But in the pressure calculation funtion it appears that lower velocity resault in lower pressure drop.

thanks

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Re: How Much Power Consumption Saved If I Reduce 10% Of Convey …

Posted on 1. Mar. 2006 - 08:17

Dear Shenjie,

If you are referring to your gas-only formals, you are right, but we are discussing pneumatic conveying, which has many more variables, influenced by the presence of material in the gasflow.

Check the used method of your calculation algorithm.

Success

Teus

Re: How Much Power Consumption Saved If I Reduce 10% Of Convey …

Posted on 2. Mar. 2006 - 06:38

Originally posted by Teus Tuinenburg

Dear Shenjie,

If you are referring to your gas-only formals, you are right, but we are discussing pneumatic conveying, which has many more variables, influenced by the presence of material in the gasflow.

Check the used method of your calculation algorithm.

Success

Dear Teus,

Is the algorithm?

P =f (L/D) ¡Á (g U^2)/2 ¡Á (1+RK)

f = friction factor,

L = pipe length,

D = pipe dia.,

g = gas density,

U = gas velocity.

R=Mass/Gas Ratio

K= Two Phase Resistance Ratio

You mean K is varis related to velocity?

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Re: How Much Power Consumption Saved If I Reduce 10% Of Convey …

Posted on 2. Mar. 2006 - 08:02

Dear Shenjie,

Your equation is shown a bit distorted, but I can figure it out.

K is a material factor.

But R = (mass flow) / (gas flow) – ratio (loading ratio) is the key factor.

When you lower the gas velocity (using the same pipe diameter), the gas mass flow decreases.

Maintaining the same solids mass flow results in a higher (mass flow) / (gas flow) – ratio.

The higher loading ratio causes a higher pressure drop.

Now go back to my reply of the 28th February 2006 17.58

Have nice day

Teus

Re: How Much Power Consumption Saved If I Reduce 10% Of Convey …

Posted on 3. Mar. 2006 - 04:55

Originally posted by Teus Tuinenburg

Dear Shenjie,

Your equation is shown a bit distorted, but I can figure it out.

K is a material factor.

But R = (mass flow) / (gas flow) ?ratio (loading ratio) is the key factor.

When you lower the gas velocity (using the same pipe diameter), the gas mass flow decreases.

Maintaining the same solids mass flow results in a higher (mass flow) / (gas flow) ?ratio.

The higher loading ratio causes a higher pressure drop.

Now go back to my reply of the 28th February 2006 17.58

Have nice day



If K remain constant R#1/U, and DP#U^2.

Obviously DP get lower when U lower.

Is K remain constant when velocity changes?

Thanks

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Re: How Much Power Consumption Saved If I Reduce 10% Of Convey …

Posted on 3. Mar. 2006 - 11:04

Dear Shenjie,

Your question "Is K remain constant when velocity changes?"

should be :

"Is K remain constant when loading ratio changes?"

From my answers you can learn, that in my opinion the product loss factor K increses with higher loading ratios.

(Also the Reynolds number influences the product loss factor, as it

is representing the turbulence of the flow)

Whether this is agreed by other members, this is a fundamental question.

You made that fundamental question clear.

well done.

Teus

Re: How Much Power Consumption Saved If I Reduce 10% Of Convey …

Posted on 3. Mar. 2006 - 02:38

Originally posted by Teus Tuinenburg

Dear Shenjie,

Your question "Is K remain constant when velocity changes?"

should be :

"Is K remain constant when loading ratio changes?"

From my answers you can learn, that in my opinion the product loss factor K increses with higher loading ratios.

(Also the Reynolds number influences the product loss factor, as it

is representing the turbulence of the flow)

Whether this is agreed by other members, this is a fundamental question.

You made that fundamental question clear.

well done.

Dear Teus,

I need practise data or curve. Have you got any?

Please understand it is important for design if we can optimize a conveying system with the lowest power consumption(maybe not the lowset velocity), the lowest degrading, the lowest pipe abrasion.

So can you give me some idea to achieve that?

Thanks

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Re: How Much Power Consumption Saved If I Reduce 10% Of Convey …

Posted on 3. Mar. 2006 - 06:28

Dear Shenjie,

In case you are referring to the conveying of PE pellets, I donot have any data or curves on this material.

Cement, fly-ash,alumina,grain derivatives etc. are the bulk commodities i have experience in

sorry

Teus

Re: How Much Power Consumption Saved If I Reduce 10% Of Convey …

Posted on 4. Mar. 2006 - 05:01

Dear Teus,

Dilute phase conveying for Power can tell if similar.

Thanks

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