Debottleneck pneumatic conveying system

grundfos2004
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Posted in: , on 7. Apr. 2005 - 10:26

i need help to calculate the total pressure drop to our conveying system and to know what phase (dilute or dense) as i am working to debottleneck our pneumatic conveying system from 230t/h to 250t/h

so please help me in the following:

1- total pressure drop

2- dilute or dense phase or something else

3- how can perform debottlenecking the system to increase capacity from 230 t/h to 250 t/h

We use pressurized system using screw comp. And x pump type x 300 for feeding cement 230 t/h

the pipeline route as following starting from the pump to the silo discharge:

pipe horizontal (10") 4.2 m

two way valve size 250

alve size elbow 90 (10")

pipe vertical (10") 3 m

elbow 90 (10")

pipe horizontal (10") 7.5 m

two way valve size 250

pipe horizontal (10") 1.3 m

elbow 45 (10")

elbow 45 (10")

pipe horizontal (10") 1 m

elbow 90 (10")

pipe horizontal (10") 5 m

pipe horizontal (12") 10.12 m

elbow 45 (12")

pipe horizontal (12") 9.7 m

elbow 90 (12")

silo vertical length (12") 74.1 m

elbow 90 (12")

pipe horizontal (12") 2 m

elbow 45 (12")

pipe horizontal (12") 4 m

two way valve size 250

pipe horizontal (12") 37.9 m

elbow 45 (12")

pipe horizontal (12") 1.6 m

compressor flow rate = 63 m3/min

compressed air dis. pressure = 1.6 bar

thanks

Eng. ahmed Ali

Egyptian cement Co.

Cairo - Egypt

Pneumatic Conveying System Design

Posted on 7. Apr. 2005 - 05:49

If you know Excel, please use my calculation method published in this month's issue of Powder Handling and Processing "Theory and Design of Pneumatic Conveying Systems" for solving your problem.

Let me know if you need any help from me.

Regards,

A. T. Agarwal

Consulting Engineer

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting Services LLC

polypcc@aol.com

Cement Conveying

Posted on 7. Apr. 2005 - 06:58

Ahmed

63 m3/min of free air equates to about 1.3 kg/s and so if you are conveying 230 tonne/h the solids loading ratio comes to about 50 and this equates to dense phase conveying.

63 m3/min of free air in a 10 in bore pipeline at a conveying line inlet air pressure of 1.5 bar gauge gives a conveying line inlet air velocity of about 8 1/2 m/s and this also equates to dense phase conveying.

You include a "silo vertical length" of 74.1 m. Can this be assumed to be 7.41 m vertically up? The length of 10 inch bore pipeline is about 22 m, but the length of 12 inch bore pipeline is significantly longer, particularly with the 37.9 m horizontal section towards the end, and disregarding the 74.1 m, and so the balance between the two does not look too good.

Despite this imbalance the system should work OK with your air supply. Your best bet for an improvement to 250 tonne/h is probably to increase your air supply pressure if this is a possibility. Stepping the pipeline is usually suggested but yours is already stepped and I doubt if a further step to 14 inch bore could be recommended.

David Mills

Re: Debottleneck Pneumatic Conveying System

Posted on 11. Apr. 2005 - 01:11

The previous reply from Dr. Mills is correct in that more air pressure would be needed to handle the rate you need. However, that raises a different set of concerns as well.

The motor BHP on a Screw Pump is a function of several parameters, through-put capacity is one BUT the discharge pressure the pump must work against is another and in many cases, it drives the BHP requirement exponentially higher.

Based on the line routing you gave, (which by the way, looks suspect because of the step point being so close to the start of the system), the line pressure will be significantly higher than the available 1.5 bar. I believe you may very well have a pump motor issue to contend with as well.

It has also been noted that you are in the "dense phase" mode. By many definitions, that is correct but I'd like to clarify that screw pumps work in the "slug flow" or "wave flow" of dene phase, not the "pulse / piston" flow.

I believe with the air volume you stated and the pressure anticipated, you are reaching the point where the slugs and waves are becoming too large and the air pressure is rising too much and you will have pipeline plugs.

grundfos2004
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Help Needed For Pneumatic Conveying System

Posted on 12. Apr. 2005 - 07:26

thank you so much

if you please tell me if i increased the suction above silo is that will help to increase the capacity, and if yes how can i install the another blower in respect to the existing fan (bag filter fan)

and cooling the discharge pressure from compressor will help or no

thank you

Re: Debottleneck Pneumatic Conveying System

Posted on 12. Apr. 2005 - 08:40

If you increase the conveying air volume to the silo, you will need to either add another filter or install a new, larger one. If you add an additional filter, you need to add it in "parallel" to the existing filter, so they SHARE the load, not in "series".

If you mean to create a "suction" in the silo to help increase the pneumatic conveying rate, that is not recommended on a typical Cement silo as they are not usually designed to contain any internal negative pressure and it would be quite expensive to do so.

Actually, cooling the compressor discharge air will not help because I believe you are lacking Volume of air. As you increase the discharge temperature, the air density decreases so the actual volume increases because the total mass of air stays constant. You will have less ACFM on the compressor discharge because of cooling.

grundfos2004
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Help Needed For Pneumatic Conveying System

Posted on 12. Apr. 2005 - 09:10

thank you Jack

i cant increase the air flow rate as the comp. is fixed speed so i want to try to increase the suction above the silo by adding anothe blower in barallel with the existing filter blower and i will increase the surface area of the filter bags

what do u think

Re: Debottleneck Pneumatic Conveying System

Posted on 13. Apr. 2005 - 03:37

As that is no doubt a very minimal suction pressure, most likely only millimeters of water, that will not help you increase your conveying capacity and unless you have some form of vacuum relief valve on the silo roof, you could run the risk of a silo failure because of too much vacuum.

grundfos2004
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Help Needed For Pneumatic Conveying System

Posted on 13. Apr. 2005 - 09:49

thank you mr. Jack for your help and support

please i need technical papers for calculation or dersign the cement pneumatic conveying and calculate pressure drop

thanks

Re: Debottleneck Pneumatic Conveying System

Posted on 13. Apr. 2005 - 12:36

Ahmed

Please check your private messages as I have sent a message to you concerning this subject outside of the forum.

grundfos2004
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Help Needed For Pneumatic Conveying System

Posted on 13. Apr. 2005 - 12:42

thank you sir

my private e -mail ahmed.mohamed@ecc-eg.net

please help me for the technical papers i requested from you

i will be grateful for you

thankss

Re: Debottleneck Pneumatic Conveying System

Posted on 24. Aug. 2017 - 02:22

I stumbled, surfing “who is online”, this pneumatic conveying thread.

This thread is dated before I joined this forum.

Based on the given information of “grundfoss2004” I calculated the installation (as described in https://forum.bulk-online.com/showth...8469#post88469)

The calculation results are:

-conveying line inlet air velocity of 9.41 m/s (including the effect of present cement)

-Solids loading ratio = 35.4


Can this be assumed to be 7.41 m vertically up?

A silo height of 7.41m is even more unlikely

-Capacity approx. 155 tons/hr at a conveying pressure 1.5 barg

-Capacity approx. 160 tons/hr at a conveying pressure 1.6 barg

-Capacity approx. 200 tons/hr at a conveying pressure 2.5 barg

These values are realistic considering the airflow (1.05 m3/sec), the conveying distance (161 m) and the energy consumption (1.1 kWh/ton).

“grundfoss2004” claims an existing capacity of 230 tons/hr.

This claim cannot be substantiated by the calculations.

Have a nice day

Teus

nevenatodorovic
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Pneumatic Conveying Of Calcium Oxide

Posted on 9. Dec. 2020 - 11:35

I´m working on a project of pneumatic conveying Calcium oxide (CaO). Here are project information and results of my calculation.

Material: CaO, capacity 15 t/h, density 850 m3/kg, powder form, particle size max 90 micron, moisture max 2 %

Conveying distance: 10m horizontal, 10m vertical including 3 bends + 1 diverter

Material feeding – rotary lock

Altitude above sea level 260m

Pressure system

I was thinking about using blower for transport the material and I chosse this:

Speed of air and material 13 m/s;

SLR: 30

Based on these, I have calculated next:

Diametar of pipe 100 mm

Consumtion of air 6,22 m3/min

Apsolute pressure in air line of compressor is 0,4049 Mpa

Required power for compressor is 25kW

As the results of pressure needed is too much for blower I belive I´m making some mistakes but I can´t see where.

As I´m new in pneumatic conveying projects I would very appreciated if you could help me with, first of all, choosing transport characteristic (SLR and velocity for CaO).

I would kindly thank you in advance if you could give me some help.

Best regards

Nevena

Re: Debottleneck Pneumatic Conveying System

Posted on 9. Dec. 2020 - 02:05

Dear Nevana,

I made a quick calculation of your described installation.


moisture max 2 %

I believe it is unlikely that the burned lime has a moisture content of 2%, as the free water reacts immediately under the generation of heat.

The calculation, I made, corresponds roughly with yours.

Only the calculated pressure (3 barg) is far too high.

Probably a dimension error.

See for a description how to calculate a pneumatic conveying system on

www.yarca.nl

I calculated:

solid loading ratio = 15/3.6/0.11526=36

Pressure = 0.215 barg

Power = 3.1 kW

Air velocity = 11 m/sec to 14.5 m/sec

CaO velocity = 7.2 m/sec to 11 m/sec (after bends approx. 4.8 m/sec)

Attachments

quicklimecalc (PDF)

Teus

nevenatodorovic
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Re: Debottleneck Pneumatic Conveying System

Posted on 12. Dec. 2020 - 12:09

Dear Teus

thank you very much for your response and help!

I calculated pressure drop again and I got similar results as yours.

I also read file you sent me as a lot of information from this very usefull forum.

As I could see in this project pneumatic conveying designing is complex task, considering that calculation depends on lots of informations including material characteristics, conveying route, ambient conditions, feeder type etc. And not all off this information are available and easy to choose, regarding recommended velocity and SLR.

Thank you again,

and have a nice day

Nevena