Information on Pulse Jet Filter Components

Posted in: , on 17. Mar. 2011 - 06:33

G'day,

I am working on a project where we are trying to reinstate a filter unit on a bulk bag charge hopper. The original charge hopper is an American Process Systems unit, however they do not have a presence in Australia and so cannot help. This is a tiny project and so local dust collector manufacturers/suppliers are not giving us high priority.

The system currently sees around 20% of the lighter products ending up being sucked into the current dust collector which then has to be brought back for re-processing, so something has to be done.

Seeing as we are getting prices as high as for a new large dust collector for just 4 or 5 filter elements around 600 mm long and the associated items like venturis and blowbacks that we then have to have someone else fabricate and install the unit, the company wants to do something itself. The problem is that we are now having difficulty finding some dimensional information on the componentry - in particular, a standard venturi. Is such information available? If not we are faced with ordering a replacement venturi, and going over it with measuring equipment. For the rest of the equipment, we will simply have to see what is there on the existing dust collector and adjust the volume of the pulse because of the much smaller filter bags.

This may not be considered the ideal way to tackle the problem, but we have little choice. At the moment, plant operators have installed a single stainless steel tube with some slits cut into it over which they place a filter sock. There are no blowbacks so the filter clogs quickly and has little effect after that. So, anything has to be better than what we have.

The existing dust collector the dust ends up in has roughly 110 mm diameter cages over which the filter socks go and to get something like the original surface area, we are looking at 4 to 5 elements.

Any pointers?

Thanks

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Posted on 6. Apr. 2011 - 01:00

Hi Ian,

Try to find a copy of the Hosokawa Micropull handbook that was advertised hereabouts a few years back. There ought to be something in there about venturi sizing and selection. For my sins I never bought a copy becaue although I recognised the book might be very usefull I just didn't have an application at the time. Maybe it is still avaliable. Good luck anyway.

Using a slit tube as a filter bag cage doesn't seen right. Won't the clean(ish) cloth area just get shrunk on the tube skin with no passage for air?

Re: Information On Pulse Jet Filter Components

Posted on 6. Apr. 2011 - 03:34
Quote Originally Posted by louispanjangView Post
Hi Ian,

Try to find a copy of the Hosokawa Micropull handbook that was advertised hereabouts a few years back. There ought to be something in there about venturi sizing and selection. For my sins I never bought a copy becaue although I recognised the book might be very usefull I just didn't have an application at the time. Maybe it is still avaliable. Good luck anyway.

Using a slit tube as a filter bag cage doesn't seen right. Won't the clean(ish) cloth area just get shrunk on the tube skin with no passage for air?

Thanks, I will have a hunt for it.

The current situation sees the slits block quickly and then the dust gets sucked in where the slit tube is just placed in the suction tune.

I had another component supplier come in and was quite helpful. Unfortunately, we have to have some sort of filtration as we are about to run a product that is 5 times more explosive that anything ever run through it. We have to reduce the dust concentration in the air in the charge hopper as we are likely to get concentrations that will make things very dangerous.

We have one more filter supplier to contact, so hopefully it will get resolved.

Thanks again.

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Pulse Jet Filter Components

Posted on 8. Apr. 2011 - 10:03

Ian,

I don't see any other path for you to follow than getting a reputable bagfilter supplier to fix you up with new units. From what you say, the existing ones are very small and new ones will not cost more than the time you are already expending in searching for a cheaper solution.

Talk to Torit/Donaldson about the application. They will offer you either a small cartridge unit or a cased insertable bagfilter. They specialise in these small units. Can you name some of the suppliers you have already tried?

Good Luck,

Michael Reid.

Re: Information On Pulse Jet Filter Components

Posted on 8. Apr. 2011 - 01:33
Quote Originally Posted by Michael ReidView Post
Ian,

I don't see any other path for you to follow than getting a reputable bagfilter supplier to fix you up with new units. From what you say, the existing ones are very small and new ones will not cost more than the time you are already expending in searching for a cheaper solution.

Talk to Torit/Donaldson about the application. They will offer you either a small cartridge unit or a cased insertable bagfilter. They specialise in these small units. Can you name some of the suppliers you have already tried?

Good Luck,

Michael Reid.

I have tried Donaldson. They came out, but trying to chase them for an answer for 3 weeks now without any luck. Ducon were not prepared to install it, and neither were local fabricators. We have Nu-Con coming out to see if they can help. Failing that, I have prepared some drawings and will have to do it ourselves.

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Pulse Jet Filter Components

Posted on 10. Apr. 2011 - 03:38

Ian,

Your best bet is to get a bagfilter maker to offer a solution. If you try to do it yourself it will end up costing more and you run a serious risk of it not working. Persist with Donaldson and Nu-Con. Try also Filtaire.

Michael Reid.

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Posted on 10. Apr. 2011 - 04:05
Quote Originally Posted by Michael ReidView Post
Ian,

Your best bet is to get a bagfilter maker to offer a solution. If you try to do it yourself it will end up costing more and you run a serious risk of it not working. Persist with Donaldson and Nu-Con. Try also Filtaire.

Michael Reid.

The thing is that even if it does not work, we are in no worse a position. While some of the hardware might not be able to be re-used on other systems, the expensive bits can be used elsewhere.

We want to get a supplier to do the lot, but the problem is actually getting them to respond.

Now Easter gets in the way. It is amazing how offices become totally unworkable just because one person has a few days off.

Back to beating my head against a brick wall

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Posted on 10. Apr. 2011 - 08:48
Quote Originally Posted by waiwhiteView Post
........... Failing that, I have prepared some drawings and will have to do it ourselves.

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