Fog system query

Posted in: , on 5. Jan. 2008 - 17:00

we are presently using fog system which uses compressed air & water (Two-Fluid Atomization).I know that there are fog systems which only use water at high pressure (Single-Fluid Atomization).

i want to know whether the moisture addition in Single-Fluid Atomization is more.if yes than by how much?

also what is pressure requirement for Single-Fluid Atomization.application is for coke at 90 -120TPH.

regards

Sanju

Re: Fog System Query

Posted on 6. Jan. 2008 - 08:34

Originally posted by sanjugun

i want to know whether the moisture addition in Single-Fluid Atomization is more.if yes than by how much?

also what is pressure requirement for Single-Fluid Atomization.application is for coke at 90 -120TPH.

Assuming you are talking about replacement values then you will have to wet to the same conditions. So your water addition will have to be the same; easy.

Matching the manifold pressure to the solids flowrate is a little more difficult & entrails some knowledge of the spray patternation requirements; such as the lie of the coke in relation to the spray bar etc.

Modification is so simple; just change the inserts, shut down the air line & wind out the water control valve. If you don't get enough spread then speed up the pump & have another go.

John Gateley johngateley@hotmail.com www.the-credible-bulk.com

JWillis
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Fog System Application

Posted on 7. Jan. 2008 - 03:41

Sanju,

Are you using the fogging system for airborne particulate capture or for moisture addition?

If it is the latter, then may I suggest moving away from atomising sprays as all these do is create a sticky mist of "mud". Moving to a V-notch type spray nozzle with the spray bar oriented longitudinally in the direction of conveyor travel provides for far better moisture addition as all the water hits the coke and is less prone to wind and transfer air movement.

If you are using atomising sprays for dust suppression, I sympathise with you! Try increasing the %w/w of water in the coke upstream of the transfer points (not directly as this will create build up issues, but some 15-20 seconds of belt travel upstream) - the best way to control dust is not to generate it in the first place...

Re: Fog System Query

Posted on 7. Jan. 2008 - 05:20

Mr jwillis

we are using fog system for dust supression.

dust will surely be generated since coke has to be crushed,screened,transported.

i want to know that will any major modification will have to be done to convert since most of the infrastucture is already present.

by the way ,thanks for your sympathies.

Sanju

JWillis
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Fog System Dust Suppression

Posted on 7. Jan. 2008 - 05:32

Sanju,

Because you were using an air compressor to assist in atomising the water through the spray nozzles, it is almost certain you will need to change out the current nozzles to keep the same degree of atomisation. You won't get the same throttling of the working fluid if you remove the air input.

Given that you already have the infrastructure in place, John's suggestion is probably the best if you don't want to/can't invest in upgrading what you have.

There is still the option of increasing the moisture content of the coke if you want to pursue that line - it just depends on the number of transfers you have between the crushing/screening plant and the end point (stockpile/mill). Do you have a maximum moisture content for the end product?

Fog System Application

Posted on 7. Jan. 2008 - 09:01

JWillis is right. Highly atomised water will cause overspray on the walls of chutes and eventually, mud and blockages.

If your aim is moisture addition, you are best to use low pressure (250 kPa). Narrow angle flat spray nozzles allow you to aim the water at the falling ore stream and avoid wetting the chute and the edges of the belt.

It is best to add the total quantity of water at many application points rather than a few.

Michael Reid.

Re: Fog System Query

Posted on 8. Jan. 2008 - 05:07

problem is that our main product ( 20-60 mm ) is directly supplied to our sister concern for blast furnace.hence we have certain limit for moisture.

as our present system can provides water at 6 bar ,will it be suitable for single fluid system.

Sanju

Fog System Application

Posted on 9. Jan. 2008 - 01:33

You should reduce the pressure to 200 kPa to avoid overspray. You can control the amount of water added by selecting nozzles with known capacity at that pressure.

Michael Reid.

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Posted on 24. Jan. 2008 - 10:27

Actually for dust suppression depends on how small water particles one is emitting from nozzle. As you wanted to switch to single fluid system, I would suggest you to reduce the pressure of water to 1.2 to 1.5 bar and air at 5.5 to 6 kg and see the moisture addition in downstream products before doing any modification because to suppress dust you need certain amount of water.

Wetting Application

Posted on 2. Mar. 2008 - 06:19

I apologize for straying from the subject but I would like to take advantage of the experts that have already posted replies to Mr. Sanjugun's questions.

My task is to lightly wet a belt at its edges by contact with twin cloth (wet brush) applicators. For the wetting of the brushes we need a very modest flow (drip) system. Of most concern is:

1.) the ability to know the flow rate precisely (a very low rate low pressure flow meter)

2.) the ability to finely regulate the flow

3.) the ability to interlock the flow with the need for it, that is, the flow will be cut off when the conveying rate falls to a low level (say 25% of design rate) and may increase somewhat when the the conveying rate is very high.

Can anyone guide me through such a system? Do all of these elements already exist as part of the typical fogger and dust suppression systems?

Joe Dos Santos

Dos Santos International 531 Roselane St NW Suite 810 Marietta, GA 30060 USA Tel: 1 770 423 9895 Fax 1 866 473 2252 Email: jds@ dossantosintl.com Web Site: [url]www.dossantosintl.com[/url]

Re: Fog System Query

Posted on 3. Mar. 2008 - 05:42

Joe,

Depending on just how low a flow rate is involved you could think about a peristaltic pump (Watson Marlow) running off a variable speed drive; itself reguated by the belt weigher signal.

Peristaltic pumps are precise enough for hospitals etc but the price is related to the pipe quality. For mine water it should be goood value & because of the pump precision & VSD there should be no need for a meter.

http://www.watson-marlow.com/

John Gateley johngateley@hotmail.com www.the-credible-bulk.com

Wet Brush System

Posted on 3. Mar. 2008 - 09:27

John,

Thank you. This is helpful. Since the pump's setting will ensure the flow rate, the flow meter is not needed.

I have previously rigged temporary systems of this type from a tap water source, using hardware store hoses and valves. I was able to manually regulate the flow to the desired rate but did not know what the rate was. For this I needed a flow meter but could not identify such a meter. Additionally I could visually monitor the wetting, cut it off when it was not needed (at very low rates) and on again when the need resumed. Inerlocking the system to achieve this automatically (after manual tuning) is very important. I'll have to get smarter on the interlocking aspect.

Joe Dos Santos

Dos Santos International 531 Roselane St NW Suite 810 Marietta, GA 30060 USA Tel: 1 770 423 9895 Fax 1 866 473 2252 Email: jds@ dossantosintl.com Web Site: [url]www.dossantosintl.com[/url]

High Pressure Fog System In India

Posted on 28. Dec. 2008 - 12:39

Dear Sir,

Projects & Control has introduced COLDFOG- High pressure fog system which works without compressor. For details

contact: info@projectscontrol.com

Best Regards,

S. Ghosh

Executive-Marketing

Misting

Posted on 30. Dec. 2008 - 11:44

We deal in several systems from 4 bar to 70 bar , the higher the pressure the smaller the droplet size, we also use rotary atomiser fan assited in many different applications