High Concentration Slurry Disposal

Posted in: , on 1. Apr. 2004 - 08:21

In absence of adequate options for hundred percent utilisation of ash generated by the utilities there is no way but to keep some provision of dumpyard for ash.One of the options that emerged is to carry ash through pipe in very high concentration( 70%) and dispose in the dump yard by high pressure positive displacement plunger/diaphragm pumps.The technologists say that the amount of water it carries is just adequate to roll the slurry expelled from the pipe mouth and with the water getting vaporised the solid ash stabilises in no time. The advantage, apart from the water saving is that you do not need a dyke wall to be built up or make any installation for water recovery and treatment for return to plant use. The difficult part of it is to make proper selection of pump to match system resistance.The flow being non newtoniun it is a dificult part of the calculation and need specific data on laboratoey test of the specific ash at different concentration.As in this zone the system head changes havoc with change of even 1 or 2 % in the consistency.

My request if any body is aware about books,literature,booklet that deal with this subject particularly the system calculation kindly let me know.

dacrea
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High-Density Disposal

Posted on 21. Apr. 2004 - 01:57

This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. No "Plant Engineer" in his right mind would design a system like this that did not provide for such considerations as water flush-out of the pipeline, because the operators WILL need to to that, and anyone who thinks not is only fooling themselves.

That said, there is a book that has helped me understand the nastiness of slurries and their surprises, and I can tell you another that is not covered in the book!

The book is (from the title page and its back):

Solid-Liquid Flow Slurry Pipeline Transportation by Edward J. Wasp (Bechtel-SanFran,CA), John P. Kinney (Consultant-UK), and Ramesh L. Gandhi (Bechtel-SanFran, CA); First Edition 1978, Trans Tech Publications, Clausthal, Germany; This Edition 1979 Gulf Publishing Company Book Division Houston, London, Paris, Tokyo. Library of Congress Catalog Number 78-75080; ISBN 0-87201-809-1. This edition published 19789 by Gulf Publishing Co., Houston, Texas [USA].

Now, for that last little surprise: Remember that first to pump it, you have to get it into the pump. If too thick, you can never get adequate NPSH--it will cavitate, or just flash vapor-lock. The most amazing case of this was trying to pump elemental phosphorus sludge in a vertical cantilever Nagle pump, with impeller submerged about 3 feet, and with a 4 foot tailpipe. The stuff was reactive, the P4 reacting with the caustic furnace dust, making hydrogen (H2) and phosphine (PH3), bad gasses indeed!

But the pump wouldn't pump reliably, for no good reason, until we put some of the sludge in a gallon lab vacuum bottle, and pulled a little vacuum on it--it foamed up just like a warm shaken-up cola! And that explained why that pump wouldn't work. We went to a top-suction vertical cantilever with about a 7 foot setting (a Lawrence Pump special), and that worked just fine, because that pump design is "gas-locking resistant" (the gas has an exit route up along the shaft) and also requires almost no NPSH. Sure, that pump cost 3.5-5x the cost of other options, but it actually worked--the ONLY thing that mattered to the guy running the process!

eleveyor
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Re: High Concentration Slurry Disposal

Posted on 23. Apr. 2004 - 10:56

It appears to me that the product, at ambient temperature, if concentrated to a dough-like consistency or drier, could be be handled by a pipe type belt conveyor such as offered by many sources in recent times. Pipe conveyors use a looped conveyor belt supported by overhead rails. I believe they were first developed in Scandinavia but are now copied by many manufacturers.

Re: High Concentration Slurry Disposal

Posted on 12. Jun. 2010 - 01:39
Quote Originally Posted by dacreaView Post
This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. No "Plant Engineer" in his right mind would design a system like this that did not provide for such considerations as water flush-out of the pipeline, because the operators WILL need to to that, and anyone who thinks not is only fooling themselves.

That said, there is a book that has helped me understand the nastiness of slurries and their surprises, and I can tell you another that is not covered in the book!

The book is (from the title page and its back):

Solid-Liquid Flow Slurry Pipeline Transportation by Edward J. Wasp (Bechtel-SanFran,CA), John P. Kinney (Consultant-UK), and Ramesh L. Gandhi (Bechtel-SanFran, CA); First Edition 1978, Trans Tech Publications, Clausthal, Germany; This Edition 1979 Gulf Publishing Company Book Division Houston, London, Paris, Tokyo. Library of Congress Catalog Number 78-75080; ISBN 0-87201-809-1. This edition published 19789 by Gulf Publishing Co., Houston, Texas [USA].

Now, for that last little surprise: Remember that first to pump it, you have to get it into the pump. If too thick, you can never get adequate NPSH--it will cavitate, or just flash vapor-lock. The most amazing case of this was trying to pump elemental phosphorus sludge in a vertical cantilever Nagle pump, with impeller submerged about 3 feet, and with a 4 foot tailpipe. The stuff was reactive, the P4 reacting with the caustic furnace dust, making hydrogen (H2) and phosphine (PH3), bad gasses indeed!

But the pump wouldn't pump reliably, for no good reason, until we put some of the sludge in a gallon lab vacuum bottle, and pulled a little vacuum on it--it foamed up just like a warm shaken-up cola! And that explained why that pump wouldn't work. We went to a top-suction vertical cantilever with about a 7 foot setting (a Lawrence Pump special), and that worked just fine, because that pump design is "gas-locking resistant" (the gas has an exit route up along the shaft) and also requires almost no NPSH. Sure, that pump cost 3.5-5x the cost of other options, but it actually worked--the ONLY thing that mattered to the guy running the process!



Dear sir

Iam a MECHANICAL ENGINEER in india and working for ash hnadling system. Iam breaking my head to find out the book title by solid liquid slurry transportation pipeline by EDWARD J WASP . Please help me to purchase the sAME BOOK IN INDIA

i TRIED BY BEST TO APPRACH THE TRANSTECH PUBLICATION ,BUT they say it is an old book and difficult to get

Thanks

kj
dacrea
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Book Is Currently "Misplaced"

Posted on 12. Jun. 2010 - 01:54

I do not see that book on my shelves now, and I am surprised, as I thought I had it here before; perhaps it has somehow migrated to my Office-Eqpt and Old-Projects Storage-Unit, a 20x30-foot room that MIGHT contain it. If I can find it, perhaps I can copy and send it. No promises for sure now.....

Check out this page on AMAZON.com (found by putting in the book's title), which shows 3 used copies for sale at US$100 each plus shipping (plus other 'slurry handling' books): http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used

Good Luck! Dave Crea

Re: High Concentration Slurry Disposal

Posted on 12. Jun. 2010 - 03:18
Quote Originally Posted by dacreaView Post
I do not see that book on my shelves now, and I am surprised, as I thought I had it here before; perhaps it has somehow migrated to my Office-Eqpt and Old-Projects Storage-Unit, a 20x30-foot room that MIGHT contain it. If I can find it, perhaps I can copy and send it. No promises for sure now.....

Check out this page on AMAZON.com (found by putting in the book's title), which shows 3 used copies for sale at US$100 each plus shipping (plus other 'slurry handling' books): http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used

Good Luck! Dave Crea



Sir

Thank you very much for your kind support

Sir

I have tried every possibility to get the same book and lastly narrowed down to the approach you enlighten. But teh only concern is whether the same book is still available (Fresh or used book) or it is simply appearing in website .

Sir i will be grateful if you can help me out sending the same soft copy or by any other means

my email ID

rahulchaubey39@yahoo.co.in

kj

Re: High Concentration Slurry Disposal

Posted on 12. Jun. 2010 - 06:17

I have just checked for you and there are two books listed at $100 plus postage.

Get your credit card out NOW and buy them before someone else does.

dacrea
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Used Book Purchasing

Posted on 13. Jun. 2010 - 07:03

I would encourage you to 'trust' the AMAZON.com used-book sources. I have purchased one book this way ('60s book on Fluid beds by Fred Zenz) and it arrived in 'perfect' condition, all nicely wrapped and protected. There are a bunch of people or businesses who buy-up these 'classic' technical books for pennies on the dollar and then re-sell at a hefty profit. Happy Shopping!

Pipeline Pumping

Posted on 14. Jun. 2010 - 10:02

An important feature of pumping is not just the amount of moisture in the sludge, but also where it is in the cross section of product. Sufficient liquore must be present to exceed the saturation volume of the voids, otherwise the bulk can compact to an exceedingly stiff consistency and be virtually impossible to feed into the cylinders. The boundary moisture forms a Bingham layer that enables product to be pumped long distances with low resistance, so it is often useful to inject a minor quantity of liquor by means of an annular ring at a minor step increase of pipe diameter. The feed into the pump may also require careful design for bulk material in a poor flow condition. Special forms of screw feeder supplied by Ajax Equipment have been used for this purpose.

proximityinfotech3
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Re: High Concentration Slurry Disposal

Posted on 8. Jul. 2010 - 08:05

I have tried every possibility to get the same book and lastly narrowed down to the approach you enlighten. But teh only concern is whether the same book is still available (Fresh or used book) or it is simply appearing in website .

Sir i will be grateful if you can help me out sending the same soft copy or by any other means