Hardfacing Questions
Greetings from the frozen Eastern Wilderness.
You need not worry about any special needs for hardfacing your crusher rolls other than investigating the possible cost of having the manufacturer do it for you either on an exchange or shipping your rolls out during a shut down.
As long as you can match the hardfacing rod with the metal in your crusher rolls you should not have a problem-but if you cannot your welding supply dealer will give you the right rod or wire to do the job.
Just make sure that the groud is very secure by welding a ground clamp to the crusher roll itself to guarantee a good ground.
Dealing with the amperage for the welder is something your welder will have to decide when it comes time to do the hardfacing.
The other question is do you have the intent to do the work inside the crusher body itself? If so you must have adequate vewntilation for the welder as hardfacing is a very smoky job especially with dirt on the area being hardfaced.
This is a big safety consideration as I do not know the size of your crusher and if the rolls are stationary or set up with one stationary and one movable crusher roll. This may also limit the ability to adequately ground the crusher rolls since you risk frying the bearings due to stray current, remember that electricity is lazy just like water it finds the easiest way to get somewhere.
I spent way to much time inside a Gundlach roll crusher :^)
lzaharis ■
Re: Which Harfacing?
What Is Your Application?
Is There An Oppertunity In Your Application To Use A Ceramic Wear Bar (Blow Bar).
If So, Contact Me And I Could Contact My Ceramic Supplier And Try To Help You Resolve Your Troubles.
Nathan Phelan
NPhelan@stradaindustries.com ■
Re: Which Harfacing?
Our application is ferro-silicon (FeSi) crushing. No it's impossible to use Ceramic Wear Bar. Is there an other solution to our wearing problem?
Thanks, best regards.
Andre Daunais, eng. ■
Re: Which Harfacing?
Some designs dont use autogenous zone teeth. In such designs, a special weldment can be applied that has a Brinnel of about 2100. THe non-tooth design helps control unacceptable breakage of product such as diamonds in soft matrix.
THe weld procedure is special. THe principle was developed in Germany. I am not sure if there is a North American weld shop that practices this method. I have the contact and brochure here if its of interest. Unfortunatley, they are not at my finger tips.
THe weldment is pricy but may fit the cost and replacement total life cycle cost formula. ■
Re: Which Harfacing?
Originally posted by dauna47
Our application is ferro-silicon (FeSi) crushing. No it's impossible to use Ceramic Wear Bar. Is there an other solution to our wearing problem?
Thanks, best regards.
Andre Daunais, eng.
I Am Not Familiar With ferro-silicon crushing, would you be able to provide a brief description of the material?? ■
Roll Crusher Wear
Andre
What type of Tooth arrangement does your Roll Crusher have
we can supply Teeth hard faced by manufacturer
Simon Pearson
www.anglo-crushers.8m.net
Tel:+ 44 1484 543300
Fax:+ 44 1484 425217 ■
Re: Which Harfacing?
Originally posted by dauna47
We own a roll crusher and we would like to reduce wearing problems on teeth crusher. We are looking at for welded hardfacing but we are so confused about which to use. Also, is there a special procedure before application (heat treatment, temperature...)?
Thank you, regards.
Andre Daunais
ADCI
Canada
Hi, Andre,
we are using the hard facing for the teeth crusher rolls many times.
It can really help to reduce your wearing problems.
Most important is the procedure of the welding and the shape of your tooth.
Please take care that the hard facing don't like foreign part like iron pieces. Its easely to crack.
What kind of material do you crush?
Best regards
Frank Hahn ■
Re: Which Harfacing?
It's ferro-silicon (FeSi) chunks, it's a very abrasive material. What do you suggest?
Thanks for your help!
Andre ■
Re: Which Harfacing?
Originally posted by dauna47
It's ferro-silicon (FeSi) chunks, it's a very abrasive material. What do you suggest?
Thanks for your help!
Andre
Hi, Andre,
we have serval machines ( Roller Crusher ) running in Brasilia with a good result. In the company Sibra.
May I ask you:
Feeding size:
Final size:
Capacity:
Frank ■
Re: Which Harfacing?
Hi, Frank,
Thank you for your reply.
Maximum feed size: 150 mm x 100 mm x 25 mm thick
Average feed size: 50 mm x 25 mm x 25 mm thick
Final size (product A): 32 mm x 5 mm
Final size (product B): 19 mm x 1.6 mm
Capacity: 10 MTPH
Can you help me.
Regards.
Andre ■
Re: Which Harfacing?
U could try the following people
Soudage - French
Vautid - German??
Both provide welding consumables for the rebuild of high chrome white cast metals eg table liners
U will need a buffer layer - to match yr parent matal (casting?) to build up and thern hardface layers to suit back to profile
Depending on the condtions - use stick electrode for open air welding or wire (sheilding gas) for good low wind environments.
Suggest having a set of rotable spares - re build set ready to go
U need to analysis costs - $ per kg laid and wear rates - existing and proposed. If really in to it, try several different at same time....direct comparision. Set it all up as a R&D claim/project and get some tax relief as well.
U could also try the casting route eg Magotteax - Belguim...well known for bi metallic castings - tough base and hard wearing work face. We use them extensively. M have also developed a combination casting with ceramic inserts (buttons) > get the toughness and high wear resistance in one.
Hope this helps mate
Cheers
James ■
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Re: Which Harfacing?
Thank you, regards.
Andre Daunais
ADCI
Canada
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Re: Which Harfacing?
There are so many options when it comes to hardfacing that you might as well talk to The Man In The Iron Mask. He's a real hardfaced character.■
Hardfacing
We are a supplier of hardfacing materials.
The main consideration for a welding procedure is your base metal.
Then you need to look at your application, you seem to have a heavy wear, so most traditional Fe based Chrome carbide will not perform best for you.
You may consider using some higher hand products and possibly composite alloys with tungsten carbide.
As for the welding process you have several choices :
On parts that big I would discourage using SMAW (stick electrodes) because the process is very slow and brings hot zones with high heat input in your base metal. Plus you loose a lot of material in the process (stubs)
GMAW is the most convenient and very easy to set in place in most shops, different wires and diameters will depend on the size of the part and the eventual rebuild to be done (with a bufferlayer/rebuild material)
Laser is a wonderful process, you can get very high life but for your type of equipment it might be a little costly and the repairability is poor. Most composite laser coating will not handle heavy impact very well.
PTAW is another good option, like laser it's not easy to set up in the field but you can adjust the coating to your specific problem and a lot of shops have equipment to lay down material on heavy equipment.
If you have more question feel free to contact us, we have offices and shops around the world :
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JM Tetevuide ■
Re: Which Harfacing?
Hi
Gather the speed would be low..do not know of lump size.
You can either use
Chromium Carbides or Tunsten Carbides in the welding consuambles
I do not know your parent tooth materials - you may be able to weld directly onto the worn teeth.
The aim would be to have a weld that can we re-welded several times....
I would go for Cr carbides and see how the performance goes from there.
Various suppliers should exist - need to look at
any preheat required and OK to do so
parent materials
fineness of the carbides
allowable heat input
depth of buildup required
hardness of the overlay deposit
practicality of surface overlay - ie insitu or in the shop.,...or have rotable rebuilds teeth?
time required for overhaul...any chance of automated rebuild procoess..maybe not..
Suggest contacing
Welding Alloys
Soudage - French
There are others eg Eutetic etc.
You have to make a start somewhere - could have a R&D project going on and get some $$ back - not all welding electrodes are the same.
As a general rule - you will need to get 4 x life over plain mild steel for Cr to pay off - excluding labour costs for removal/re assembly of main components if they have to be removed....the last item is where you get the payback and esp. if runtime is important.
Ensure that you have good record keeping to monitor performance - this can take some years if evaluating several products etc
Cheers
James ■
Which harfacing?
We own a roll crusher and we would like to reduce wearing problems on teeth crusher. We are looking at for welded hardfacing but we are so confused about which to use. Also, is there a special procedure before application (heat treatment, temperature...)?
Thank you, regards.
Andre Daunais
ADCI
Canada ■