Re: Belt Conveyor Chute Discharge Velocity
Define significant increase in chute height. I assume we are talking translational velocity. ■
Re: Belt Conveyor Chute Discharge Velocity
Thanks Mr. Nordell for your post.
Just to clarify your point:
As the feeding conveyor discharge velocity is 3m/s (after impact on chute side plate it will further reduce), to gain the material velocity to 6m/s exit velocity, it is necessary to have vertical fall of material inside the chute (which will increase the straight chute height) to gain required velocity(which will also reduce a bit after having impact at the chute sliding surface before flowing onto receiving conveyor). ■
Re: Belt Conveyor Chute Discharge Velocity
Rearranging mgh=1/2mv^2 for v, informs me you require around 0.5 m of additional head (neglecting friction etc).
Is this significant? – we don’t have access to your rates so it is a bit difficult to confirm.
What about the increase in demand power of the receiving conveyor (P=mass flowrate*dv*v) around 1.25 kW = 250/3.6 * 3-6 *6.
What about wear on the belt covers due to acceleration of the material?
Assuming you are happy with the stopping times of each conveyor.
Regards,
Lyle ■
Re: Belt Conveyor Chute Discharge Velocity
The height calculated 0.5m must be based on 3.0m/s velocity. Please note that the velocity of material needs to be increased to satisfy the exit velocity requirement of 6m/s. So, the material needs to be accelerated inside the chute (straight fall) to gain adequate velocity(there will be velocity loss after impact to the sliding surface also) before it comes out with required exit velocity(6m/s). ■
Re: Belt Conveyor Chute Discharge Velocity
The problem is solvable using DEM. Chute geometry and particle physical properties and internal friction details are needed.
Most engineers are not in the business of doing work for no pay. Will you pay for the required work? ■
Re: Belt Conveyor Chute Discharge Velocity
Yes based on 3 m/s. The reasoning is that the original 3 m/s of horizontal velocity from the feed conveyor will be translated into vertical velocity (without any friction), hence the falling material needs only to obtain another 3 m/s (3 + 3 =6 ) to match your receiving belt.
Have seen project design criteria specify "allowable" variations in feed / receive belt speed.
I guess you need to satisfy yourself if you live with the consequences (as stated earlier et al), and if not, do something to address them.
Regards,
Lyle ■
Re: Belt Conveyor Chute Discharge Velocity
Some simple physics tells me that any decrease in the energy needed to accelerate the ore by increasing the transfer chute height will be counteracted almost exactly by the increase in energy needed to elevate the material to the new transfer height.
It is simple interchange of potential and kinetic energy.
Belt wear may be a different issue, but there is not enough information to say. ■
Re: Belt Conveyor Chute Discharge Velocity
The chute height may not need to be increased to achieve 6 m/s exit velocity onto receiving conveyor with 3 m/s entry velocity from discharge conveyor.
You have to understand translational velocity, chute geometry, surface friction with associated pressures, particle properties, moisture and flow mechanics. ■
Re: Belt Conveyor Chute Discharge Velocity
>>The chute height may not need to be increased to achieve 6 m/s exit velocity onto receiving conveyor with 3 m/s entry velocity from discharge conveyor.
Good point Larry.
Design alone may be enough. That would save some money.
I am making the tacit assumption that this is a new design under consideration, but there is little information in the original post.
If it is the case that this will be an additional flow of 250 tph onto an existing and constant burden of 1750 tph, then I think that some mis-match of velocities will not be an issue worth spending money on. ■
Re: Belt Conveyor Chute Discharge Velocity
Yes Peter, also true. ■
Chute Design
Gents, it is great to hear all the technology and knowledge in this discussion, However 1 point I feel that will require mention is the fact of material crush upon impact to the receiving belt , not to mention the boiling of product and dust generation associated with the above.
Not wanting to encroach ■
Re: Belt Conveyor Chute Discharge Velocity
Mr. Gibbsy,
DEM does resolve all your noted points including:
1. belt wear pattern and magnitude
2. turbulence magnitude and location
3. dust liberation by particle size
4. particle impact forces by magnitude and location
5. particle shear pattern with magnitude and location
6. side thrust of product to classify misalignment by location along belt axis
7. visualization of the above with graphs ■
Chute Design
That's Great Lawrence.
But as you have mentioned before $$ allow work.
I am heavily involved in Conveyors etc and would be keen to know more of your info.
Yet I can supply the $$ if the info is top class.
E-mail me to commence talks if you like. My industry conveys Bauxite (wet)
thanking you
Jason ■
Re: Belt Conveyor Chute Discharge Velocity
"Know"ledge is known. I think you are refering to ideas.
I have promised to post a number of chutes that give an idea. I need wait for the keeper of the chute files to return from vacations.
In the mean time visit our website. ■
Re: Belt Conveyor Chute Discharge Velocity
I wonder if your mine (C) is the same where company (B) hired an Australia designer (CB) to provide curved hood and spoon chutes that plugged?
Then company (B) hired company (CDI) to correct the chute geometry to eliminate the pluggage about 3-4 years ago.
I recall the chute ceramic liner was a wear issue. This was not in our scope. I do believe we told company (B) that the ceramic liner formulation needed to be changed. After that I dunno. ■
Chute Geometry
No Lawrence, we are a refinery with about 52 conveyors, doing 3 million tonne per year.
Look forward to your information and or contact.
Thanking you
Jason ■
Re: Belt Conveyor Chute Discharge Velocity
Would appreciate to send personal e-mail, if your response is not related to the subject topic. ■
Belt conveyor chute discharge velocity
Is it acceptable, if the discharge conveyor chute exit velocity is less than the receiving conveyor velocity?
Situation : Coal feeding conveyor is running at 3m/s, 250tph and 750mm belt width. Receiving conveyor (also being fed by other conveyor) is running at 6m/s,2000tph and 1200mm belt width.
If the feeding conveyor chute exit velocity is required to match receiving conveyor velocity of 6m/s, the feed conveyor discharge chute height needs to be increased significantly which increases the height of the transfer tower. ■