Max Apron Feeder Hydraulic Force

Posted in: , on 25. Aug. 2008 - 13:43

Common literature states to use the hydraulic height to calculate the max pull out force required for a feeder.

This is because the arch stress field have not formed after an initial fill.

However structural theory only allows from 3x (Maybe 5x don’t remember) the belt width for the hydraulic height used to calculate the max structural loads.

I have a 25m tall flat bottom bin with primary crushed iron ore density 2.2t/m^3. Product is discharged via 3 apron feeders approx 2x10m slots with mass flow hoppers etc

My question is do I have to use the full hydraulic height or is there another rule when you look at such tall bins. There must be some forming of arched stress fields even if it is an initial fill through sifting compression etc.

3 or 5 times belt with would be nice. But I have no evidence to support this. Anyone heard of something like this before with a reference.

Best Regards,

Gareth Blakey

Gareth.blakey@minproc.com.au

Best Regards, Gareth Blakey

Re: Max Apron Feeder Hydraulic Force

Posted on 25. Aug. 2008 - 01:30

There are a number of rules of thumb.

One of mine is to consider a height equal to 3x the diagonal. Sometimes 2x the width can be used.

In the old days, prior to lots of people with BSc's, MSc's or even PhD's, you just built a large scale test rig, ideally full size, carried out tests, then from these tests deduced a suitable formula. Maybe you should revert back to to this method and deduce your own rules.

Lyle Brown
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Re: Max Apron Feeder Hydraulic Force

Posted on 25. Aug. 2008 - 10:53

AS3774 has notes.

If someone demanded a conservative answer and wanted it right now = rho x g x h.

I have seen 3 x for feeder pull out loads, though I am not confident this was based on any facts.

Regards,

Lyle

Re: Max Apron Feeder Hydraulic Force

Posted on 25. Aug. 2008 - 11:20

Does nobody run practical tests any more?

My formative days were before computers, before the internet, before discussion forums where the questions are "give me the formula for ------ " or "give me a program for ---- " (fill in the blanks yourself). You devised your own tests and deduced your own answers.

Is such basic engineering materials handling dead. (Answers on a postcard please ....... )

Re: Max Apron Feeder Hydraulic Force

Posted on 9. Sep. 2008 - 05:03

Hi Gareth..

I always used 3 x max width as the head, and doubled that for the initial conditions.

Nowadays there are much cleverer people about who work these things out to 3 decimal places, using three different methods and get three different answers. They then select the worst one and make my life a misery by insisting I work to it.

Such people say the rule of thumb is rubbish, but then.. how come it has worked for me faithfully for many more years than Keira Knightly has been on this earth.

Cheers

LSL Tekpro

Graham Spriggs

Re: Max Apron Feeder Hydraulic Force

Posted on 10. Sep. 2008 - 03:28

Ha Ha

I am going to investigate what the apron feeder suppliers do.

Best Regards, Gareth Blakey

Re: Max Apron Feeder Hydraulic Force

Posted on 10. Sep. 2008 - 10:15

I've been reminded of a paper written by Harold Wright on the subject of downloads from hoppers onto belt feeders.

Maybe he would supply you with a copy.

he can be contacted here - http://www.drhwright.com/

One further point, no one has asked how to relate the material head/download to belt or chain pull of the feeder???

Re: Max Apron Feeder Hydraulic Force

Posted on 10. Sep. 2008 - 10:21

Hello Designer..

To get the pulls, I multiply the vertical loads by 0.5

Regards

LSL Tekpro

Graham Spriggs

Re: Max Apron Feeder Hydraulic Force

Posted on 10. Sep. 2008 - 01:26

0.5, that's an easy number to remember and use on the back of a fag packet. :-))

Feeder Loads

Posted on 14. Sep. 2008 - 02:50

Hi

I guess you cvan go to the feeder suppliers eg KRUPP, RCR etc etc and give them a performance spec. What they use may be rules of thumb or other formulas

The Uni in NSW must have some research bods there

Also, a guy called Rademacher in Holland came to Oz some year back - he has written papers on pull out forces etc

You may also find some more in textboook etc

Thanks

James

Re: Max Apron Feeder Hydraulic Force

Posted on 14. Oct. 2008 - 08:35

Thankyou that is helpful.

I will look into this further

Best Regards, Gareth Blakey