Pulse-jet Filter Venturi Selection

Posted in: , on 2. Mar. 2010 - 19:05

Dear all,

Cleaning fabric dust filters is often done by means of pulsed jets protruding from nozzles and entering the bags via venturis. The distance between the nozzle and the venturi allows extra gas to be sucked in, depending on the geometry of the venturi also.

My question relates to the design and selection of such venturis. What selection criteria are to be considered, and are there aspects of significant influence to the cleaning performance e.g. to the reach of the pulse in 5m long filters?

My literature search did not provide satisfactory answers, so any help is appreciated.

Best regards,

Guus

Pulse-Jet Venturi

Posted on 3. Mar. 2010 - 01:04

Hi Guus,

Pulse-jet cleaning is achieved partly by the propogation of a shock wave down the length of the filter bag, partly by reverse flow of the compresssed air and also by cleaned process air being entrained by the jet.

The venturi is intended to enhance the cleaning action by entraining more of the cleaned process air.

Bag filter makers differ about whether venturies make any difference to the efficiency of cleaning. Some use them, many don't.

All makers will have done testing of various arrangements (or copied someone else's). Their results will be proprietary and not available to the rest of us.

The flow characteristic of the pulse valves is probably more important than venturis. Note, the pressure loss across the tube plate will be higher with a venturi than without.

Bags up to 8 m long are cleaned without them in many applications.

Cheers,

Michael Reid.

Re: Pulse-Jet Filter Venturi Selection

Posted on 3. Mar. 2010 - 03:49

Thank you for your explanation.

So the shock wave and the reverse flow are enhanced by the entrainment ratio. This makes me believe that, to some extent, a smaller throat diameter of the venturi results in improved cleaning efficiencies. The lower limit for the diameter is then to be set by the pressure drop of the venturi itself, which should not become too large either in the cleaning mode or in the filtering mode.

Apparently, however, this is something that is not (commonly) agreed upon amongst bag filter makers.

Could this be due to lack of understanding of the pulse ejector process, so that the venturies used are far from perfect anyhow? (According to a Nasa document on pulsejet drivers, a plain simple venturi can increase thrust by a factor of 1.8.) Is it purely a cost issue? Or am I overlooking something important?

Re: Pulse-Jet Filter Venturi Selection

Posted on 3. Mar. 2010 - 05:16

I reckon you've got the makings of a good university research project here.

Re: Pulse-Jet Filter Venturi Selection

Posted on 4. Mar. 2010 - 12:31

In the early days, a lot of pilot scale testing was done by various makers to determine the optimum shape for a venturi, for pulse tube diameters, for nozzle hole sizes etc. Venturis were considered to be essential for conserving compressed air and enhancing reverse flow. Filter bags were rarely longer than 4 m.

Later, the larger, global companies began to use longer and longer filter bags (f.i., when converting electrostatic precipitators to bagfilters) 8 m and above. At the same time, they developed their own improved systems including new pulse valves.

In simple terms, the cake of dust is supposed to break away from the surface of the filter bag when it comes to a sudden stop when fully inflated. There should be some residual dust left in the surface layer of the fabric. It is this “filter cake” which does the actual filtering. The shock wave is probably more important than the reverse flow.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Michael.

Dusty Mill
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Filter Venturi

Posted on 12. Mar. 2011 - 09:32

Dear All

One of our pulse jet filters has got a whole load of damaged alloy venturi sections. The filter manufacturer is only interested in selling us a new filter! I am therefore looking for a UK supplier who can manufacture such an item, I believe they are made using a spinning process.

Can anyone help?

Re: Pulse-Jet Filter Venturi Selection

Posted on 28. Mar. 2011 - 06:53
Quote Originally Posted by Dusty MillView Post
Dear All

One of our pulse jet filters has got a whole load of damaged alloy venturi sections. The filter manufacturer is only interested in selling us a new filter! I am therefore looking for a UK supplier who can manufacture such an item, I believe they are made using a spinning process.

Can anyone help?

Half a world away, but I am getting the same reaction from dust collector suppliers here.

You can go the expensive way and try and have exact duplicates made, however you can also make something that is a close enough match using two cones and a short straight section of straight tube.

You are in the fortunate position where you appear to have ready access to your existing venturis, whereas I am having to "wing it" because my client does not have damaged ones, but we are trying to build ourselves a small 5 bag filter over a charge hopper. The only filter that has venturis is in operation and it is a case of having to wait over a month before we will get access when the dome of the dust collector will be removed for a clean down. For some reason, the filter manufacturers are reluctant to sell these items separately.

You could also try http://www.slyfilters.com/replacement-parts/cages.html

You may have better luck logging in. For some reason, I cannot find where to register for the technical literature.

I have been trying to get standard concentric reducers, however the ones I have managed to locate have a standard length. It might be a case of finding someone to make up the two cones of different lengths and get them welded together with a short straight piece.

The venturis here are cast aluminium and not stainless steel.

Good luck, and I will be checking to see if you have been able to find something.

[I]Ian A. White, MIEAust. CPEng. RPEQ WAI Engineering [URL="http://www.wai.com.au"]www.wai.com.au[/URL][/I]

Re: Pulse-Jet Filter Venturi Selection

Posted on 30. Mar. 2011 - 02:50

Just a follow up

I mentioned http://www.slyfilters.com/replacement-parts/cages.html who were very helpful. They told me who the agents were in Australia (Goyen) where I was able to get some information on their venturis. I was contacted by Goyen/Tyco and they are coming out to see how things go.

Interestingly, while waiting for contact I decided to investigate concentric stainless steel tube reducers. Given we use 6" cages elsewhere, I tried a 6" x 3" reducer and then showed a 40 mm length of straight 3" tube welded to the small end.

It turns out that this was pretty close to what the venturis are. It gives me some flexibility depending on availability.

Anyhow, if you can't get the spun ones, you can get a shop to make them up out of tube and reducers.

[I]Ian A. White, MIEAust. CPEng. RPEQ WAI Engineering [URL="http://www.wai.com.au"]www.wai.com.au[/URL][/I]
Micronair
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Help With Your Problem

Posted on 30. Apr. 2011 - 06:13

We should be able to assist - Filter Cages Ltd. (http://filter-cages.com)