Excessive Volumetric Flow

facundio
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Posted in: , on 31. May. 2007 - 16:38

I am working on an air balance for a reverse air dust collector. My exhaust is at 13000-15000 CFM, which is reasonable.

However, the main duct coming from the discharge end of a cement ball mill (42 in diameter) gives me an average pressure reading of 9.49 inches of water. Based on my calculations, this duct is putting out around 37000 CFM. I have checked, and rechecked my calculations and also ran several pressure reading trials, but I have gotten the same results over and over again.

The duct drops to a rectangular shaped hood (where I am getting my pressure readings) and then directly to the bottom of the dust collector. Now, if I use the rectangular area to calculate air flow, I get an even greater flow thorugh this duct. The rectangular dimensions are: 45in X 55in.

The reason why we are trying to do an air balance in the first place is because the system plugs from time to time. We found the only way to keep the system from plugging was by fully opening one of the air slides dampers. It has been open ever since.

Any comments, help, suggestions?

Thanks.

LB

P.S. I might be doing some fatal mistake or something. If so forgive me, I am rookie. (Intern).

Re: Excessive Volumetric Flow

Posted on 5. Jun. 2007 - 09:17

I don't really know how you are calculating the airflow, but it sounds like you are using a pitot tube. Without getting into the theory, your calculations of 37000 ACFM are probably correct, as the velocity of the 42" duct is around 3800 fpm, which is normal for your application where you have to keep the cement dust in suspension until the dust collector.

Beware of the velocity pressure you read at the round to square transition as it is very difficult to get a good average reading in these areas.

I am a bit baffled as to how you get the 15000 (S?)CFM value for the exhaust. Doing a rough calculation for 5300 feet elevation and 37000 ACFM using air only (assuming that the hot gases are coming from the clinker cooler and at a temperature of 400 deg F), I get approximately 18000 SCFM and change.

Please let me know if I can be of further help.

Joe

facundio
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Re: Excessive Volumetric Flow

Posted on 6. Jun. 2007 - 02:49

Thanks for your help Joe!. We are in the process of installing new ports so that we could get more accurate readings. In regards to your question for the exhaust, I get an average velocity of 4300 FPM in a 26'' duct. That gives me a flow of 16000 ACFM. This discharge does not carry gases from the clinker cooler but from the cement mill. (~120tph mill). Anyhow, if I have an exhaust of 16000 CFM, shouldn't the sum of the inlets be the same as the exhaust (outlet), if not, how is that 37000 ACFM volumetric flow explained? Or IN does not equal OUT ? I thought they would.

Thanks,

LB

Re: Excessive Volumetric Flow

Posted on 6. Jun. 2007 - 04:33

Hi LB,

I did understand that you had a cement mill, I was speaking of the source of the gases used for grinding the clinker and additives into cement. I just assumed that the gases would come from the clinker cooler vent, and used this to estimate a temperature into the mill.

Yes, you are right, the goesinta should always equal the goesouta. It would help me greatly if you could explain the entire circuit or send me a flowsheet with all pertinent information, including temperature and negative pressure in each location. Usually the outlet gas volume is actually higher than the inlet due to all of the false air infiltration, so I am with you, your measurements or calculations don't make a whole lot of sense. I would also be interested in knowing what you have been using for measurement, what is the physical location (proximity to elbows, etc.) and how many points you have measured to determine the averages.

If you like, you could send the information to jriley@boldeco.com, and I can help you much more effectively.

Joe

facundio
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Re: Excessive Volumetric Flow

Posted on 7. Jun. 2007 - 10:12

I am re-evaluating the project, and will take a set of new measurements sometime soon, as soon as I do, I will be more than happy to share the results with you (in a more extensive way). As you know, I only have 2 months to complete several projects and have to work in all of them at the same time, plus there is the logistics part of it (open ports, get the instruments, mill went down etc, etc). I hope you will we willing to look at my stuff when I finish get new data.

Thank you very much Joe!

LB