giving, giving , giving. You've taken on a big job; then find you don't know how to put the belt into a belt conveyor & then expect a buckshee write up with a sketch. Ask Wagner Schwelm - between Essen & Wuppertaal - lovely little village - very nice people; but no more of a charity than the rest of us - for a write-up & sketch & see what they say. Don't stand too near the phone though. ■

Hi A.Banerjee

The installation is fairly simple, you'll need a belt stand to hold the rolls, winch and some operators.

You can either pull on each roll then splice as you go or you can flake out several rolls or a few kilometers then pull it on.

Could you supply more detail like belt specs, terrain, timeline for installation, can you pull from different locations i.e. 2 teams running simultaneously, size of rolls and weight. ■

Hi John

If you don't want to help out the posters, don't, there are many that will help.

But when you write the crap like below, it wastes everybodies time.

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Now here's the rub, when does free advice become free design?

Knowledge is built up over time and normally gained through working at a commercial organisation. Commercial organisations need to make a profit. How long will they last if they give away their knowledge to organisations with low cost operations. Answer, not long.

If you wish to pass your organisations knowledge on at no cost, that's up to you.

PS,

What's a consultant?

Someone who when you ask them the time -

Asks to look at your watch

Tells you the time

Charges you for doing it

Then keeps the watch.

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In my view, the forum should be used as the last resort for information and not the first place.

Otherwise, there is simply the tendency to ask the WWW or the Oracle for the answer and move on without too much ado for the gaining of depth of understanding.

Do we want to be catalogue engineers or experienced engineers.

When U are all alone and U have to make the decision by yourself > then this will be true test of your expertise, resolve and rational thinking.

Cheers

James ■

Hi James

I thought the whole point of this Forum was to share information...........

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It is not so much an issue of free design as a bypass of procedure. Minesite must be aware that before a client would order a 20km conveyor he just might have examined the construction schedule which the successful bidder had hopefully included with his tender submission. Purchase of the belting has major implications for the cash flow of a project in terms of outgoing expenditure & eventual revenue.

Accordingly I thought the posting to be either hypothetical or a disatrous oversight. Whichever is not my concern & neither should it be the concern of these forums.

The solution could be, & should have been, found in any belt conveyor handbook. Forums are surely for peer discussion & not basic education....for alleged peers.

I'm sorry if my crap wastes EVERYBODY'S time. In mitigation I would point out that I didn't ask for a free design to sort out a potential cock up, hypothetical or not.

By the way I think the real world posting should have queried the influence of splice curing time on the construction schedule. Then that would have brought the suggestion of "pull on each roll and splice as you go" into the discussion. ■

The horror of it all is when people like Mr. Banejee do not know when the advice given is to be respected or not, and when sufficient advise has been given.

Small, interesting, and sometimes difficult problems can be helped due to their one-dimensionality. Complex problems, like what under discussion, do no lend themselves to simple answers. The answers, to date, will only give the requesting party some insight.

The requesting party will not know that this is so, and must determine when best to seek help or be the fool for not.

Large costly mistakes usually sort out the whana-bees. Most savy clients already know who knows and who doesn't.

Still, it gripes some of us who do make the attempt to help. We find some who will take center stage as Great Pretenders with the very words of help given.

If some fool offers help, who will be the greater fool when it goes awry? ■

Lyle Brown wrote

Your comment above should read,

“I” currently do not have sufficient detail to assist you and it wouldn’t not be appropriate for “me” to comment without suitable details.

I don’t believe or think it’s appropriate to speak for everyone on this Forum, unless you are the Forum moderator……………

John Gateley wrote

I certainly am aware, and if I thought that anyone could install 20 klms of belt with a few comments on this Forum and a sketch, I’d retire to Wigan and sit in a cosy little pub for the rest of my days….

As did I.

John, It’s not all your crap, most of your crap is great, it’s just some of it. ;-)

So why don’t we discuss the “influence of splice curing time on the construction schedule” and the suggestion of "pull on each roll and splice as you go"

Sami.Ahmed wrote

Stranger things have happened.

Lawrence Nordell wrote

So why don’t we go into detail and give some insight, lets explain the installation process of an average sized overland.

Do we think that explaining this on the Forum will replace the many years of experience it takes to do a successful installation.?

If I supplied the answer to that, as “designer” said, I would have to invoice you….what’s your postal address.?

If I’ve missed anyone I apologize…... ;-) ■

Lyle

My comments to you and the others above were more tongue in cheek, please take it as just that, I mean no offense to you or anyone else.

We all must remember that this is a public forum, for the public, and all questions and comments are valid regardless of what our own personal thoughts are, if we don't like the question, it’s simple, we don't answer it.

If they are out of place it is up to the moderator or forum administrator to moderate.

We have people here from many countries and vastly different backgrounds, so interpretations of a question may be misunderstood and it can be difficult for the poster to be specific.

The last thing we want to do is to ridicule, this will stop others from posting and if it does, the forum will no longer be viable.

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