Pneumatic conveying increasing capacity

grundfos2004
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Posted in: , on 19. Sep. 2004 - 12:45

we want to increase the capacity from 140 t/h to 150t t/h so we want to make upgrade for the conveying system to increse the capacity from the x pump to the silo

anf if i like to install suction blowers at the discharge line how can i select the required blower and the blowers handle air with cement or must air only and how to be instaled

eng/ ahmed ali

egyptian cement co.

e. mail : ahmed.mohamed@ecc-eg.net

Paulsolt
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Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 24. Sep. 2004 - 12:50

Increasing the differential pressure across the conveying line is one way to increase capacity. Either increase the pressure available at the start of the line, or as you suggest add a vacuum to the end of the line.

But there are many other things you can do. Rerouting your conveying line to eliminate line length or eliminate bends will help. Many conveying lines have been installed along existing supports, or building walls. Take the shortest path, even if it is diagonal. Capacity is inversly proportional to the line length.

Certain line configurations reduce capacity. In cement conveying, eliminate sloped conveying lines. Keep them horizontal or vertical.

If you have more than two bends immediately adjacent to each other, this will reduce capacity.

Many people think they can increase capacity by adding more air. If you are in dilute conveying this will reduce the capacity.

Cement conveying is usually done with about 2500 feet/minute air velocity at the feed point. This air velocity is calculated for the actual air volume (standard air corrected for temperature and pressure)

You mention feeding with a pump. If this is a screw pump, remember that puts out a fixed capacity and no matter what you do to the conveying line, the capacity will not change unless you change something in the feed system.

Paul Solt

Pneumatic Conveying Consultants

pccsolt@enter.net

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 24. Sep. 2004 - 07:16

The subject of how to increase the capacity of pneumatic conveying systems is covered in detail in my article in the April 2004 issue of Chemical Engineering. I will be glad to send a PDF copy if you don't get this magazine.

Regards,

A. T. Agarwal

Consulting Engineer

polypcc@aol.com

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 25. Sep. 2004 - 12:54

Mr. Ahmed Ali,

I have read and found the article by Mr. Amrit Agrawal , very useful to understand the likely bottlenecks in lean as well as dense phase conveying and measures to take care of these bottlenecks.

Good luck.

AKSanghani

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Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 28. Sep. 2004 - 09:51

Originally posted by Amrit Agarwal

The subject of how to increase the capacity of pneumatic conveying systems is covered in detail in my article in the April 2004 issue of Chemical Engineering. I will be glad to send a PDF copy if you don't get this magazine.

Regards,

A. T. Agarwal

Consulting Engineer

polypcc@aol.com

Dear Amrit may I have a PDF copy of the your article?

regards

debashisde@in.dclgroup.com

Lexter Gimenez
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Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 1. Dec. 2004 - 01:59

We are currently using a dense-phase conveying system that handles granular polyethylene resin. We want to optimize the line layout as there are many bends and we could also decrease the line length.

I have read Mr. Agarwal's excellent article "Debottleneck Pneumatic Conveying Systems", which gives many practical tips to improve capacity.

I would like to know if there is any way I can estimate the increase in capacity given the change in layout (number of bends and line length reduction).

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 3. Dec. 2004 - 03:34

Dear Lexter,

My article "Theory and Design of Pneumatic Conveying Systems" will be published in a well-known magazine very soon. This article will help you in analyzing the effect of bends and pipe length, and also of other variables, on conveying system's capacity. This article should be helpful to you if you can wait until it is published. In the meantime, I will be glad to run calculations for you if you send me details.

Regards,

Amrit T. Agarwal

Consultant

Pneumatic Conveying Services LLC

polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax: 304 346 5125

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 7. Dec. 2004 - 04:04

This article was published in the April 2004 issue of Chemical Engineering. I think you can access this magazine through your library. If you can't, please send an e-mail to me and I will then send you a PDF copy.

Regards,

Amrit T. Agarwal

Pneumatic Conveying Technologies LLC

polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax: 304 346 5125

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 7. Dec. 2004 - 11:13

I was able to read the abstracts and text from our online library. However, all of the figures are omitted and I could not get the completed copy of your paper. So please email me one. Thanks.

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 8. Dec. 2004 - 09:45

As requested a copy of the article has been emailed to you. If you work with Peter Wypych, please give my regards to him.

Amrit Agarwal

Consultant

Pneumatic Conveying Technologies

polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax: 304 346 5125

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 8. Dec. 2004 - 11:28

Actually, I stay in Newcastle University and Prof Mark Jones is my supervisor, where Peter is in Wollongong Univeristy and 300km away from my university. Thanks for yoru paper.

"Theory And Design Of Pneumatic Conveying Systems"

Posted on 14. Dec. 2004 - 10:11

Dear Mr Agrawal,

I would like acopy of you article above.

epoegy@yahoo.com

Freddy Dawoud

EPO, Consultants

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 14. Dec. 2004 - 03:36

Dear Freddie,

I will be able to send a copy of this article only after it has been published. It is expected to be published in Powder Handling and Processing magazine in February 2005.

In the meantime, let me know if you need any help.

Regards.

Amrit T. Agarwal

Consultant

Pneumatic Conveying Technologies

polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax: 304 346 5125

ramesh
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Dense Phase Conveying Pipes

Posted on 15. Dec. 2004 - 02:29

sir,

i am doing a project on the problems faced in dense phase pneumatic ash conveying systems.the pipe uised now is cast iron which is frequented with punctures. suggest me a suitable pipe material which will stay away from punctures along with its properties and cost.

also the bends too have the same problem.

frequent chokes is also a major problem



please give me some valuable information in this regard which will be of immense help in doing my project

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 16. Dec. 2004 - 06:23

Dear Ramesh,

You seem to have two problems, poor regulation of conveying velocity and poor materials of construction. These have been covered in many articles and books. You can find solutions if you study them.

Alternatively, let me know if you need our help.

Amrit T. Agarwal

Consulting Engineer

Pneumatic Conveying Technologies

polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax: 304 346 5125

loyal
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I Want To Have Pdf Copy Of Your Valuable Article Sir

Posted on 3. Feb. 2005 - 09:06

Originally posted by debashisde



Dear Amrit may I have a PDF copy of the your article?

regards

debashisde@in.dclgroup.com

loyal
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Re: I Want To Have Pdf Copy Of Your Valuable Article Sir

Posted on 3. Feb. 2005 - 09:07

my mail id is loyal2004@yahoo.com

sir, i would like to have pdf copy of your valuable article.

thank you

Cement Upgrade

Posted on 9. Feb. 2005 - 02:49

One other possible option is to reduce air flow (and make more pressure available for conveying product) - as long as you are not operating close to minimum transport. However, conveying characteristics for large capacity systems are fairly "flat", so benefits here may be minimal. If the pipeline is long, you also could look at stepping up pipe size towards the end. I do not think that you have to reduce pressure loss significanctly to get the extra 10 t/h.

I presented a cement modelling paper at the Powder Show (Chicago) in 1992 - this could help you find some answers (for free).

wypych@uow.edu.au

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 9. Feb. 2005 - 11:20

The problem this gentlemen has isn't the pipeline from what I can tell in discussions with himself and others at his cement plant. The line pressure at the present capacity is basically what we would predict for a typical screw pump system, operating in the two-phase flow regime.

I believe, from what I can gather, the pressure losses between the air manifold on the pump and the compressor discharge may very well be too great and there isn't sufficient pressure left to convey the additional material.

This first assumes the pump has the capability to deliver the increased flow rate into the system. I've seen plenty of screw pump systems where the pump is rated for a specific capacity but the suppliers always assume a certain loose bulk density for Cement, as the screw pumps are volumetric devices. When the cement is lighter in weight, the nominal capacity in TPH has to be derated accordingly.

There are many other factors which could be contributing to the shortfall in their capacity but the end user is reluctant to have someone with the proper experience and knowledge visit the plant to help them.

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 10. Feb. 2005 - 06:03

Theory and Practice for Increasing the Capacity of Pneumatic Conveying Systems are described in detail in my article published in the April 2004 issue of Chemical Engineering. As discussed in this article, we have mainly 4 reasons that prevent a capacity increase: pressure, velocity, feeder, and system design. From what I have learnt in this case, capacity is limited by the feeder and there is no easy way to fix it. One possibility is to add and blend a flow-agent to improve the performance of the feeder, but this change is expensive. Another is to install a small additional feeder in parallel. Any other ideas?

Regards,

A. T. Agarwal

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting Services LLC

polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax:304 346 5125

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 10. Feb. 2005 - 06:26

It's possible the original screw pump manufacturer, CPAG, has a screw with adequate pitch and compression to handle the higher capacity requirements they are looking for. If not, the next step, as you suggest, is an expensive one.

By the way, if you have a .pdf version of your paper, can you forward it to me?

thanks

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 10. Feb. 2005 - 06:33

Dear Jack,

As requested, I am sending a PDF copy of this article to you. Let me know if you have any comments.

Regards,

A. T. Agarwal

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting Services LLC

polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax: 304 346 5125

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 11. Feb. 2005 - 12:05

Jack, I need your email address for sending this article. You may also give me your phone number.

Regards,

A. T. Agarwal

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting Services LLC

polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax: 304 346 5125

Up-Rating Conveying Systems

Posted on 15. Feb. 2005 - 04:53

Provided that the air supply pressure is above about 0.8 bar gauge, or 0.4 bar vacuum for a negative pressure system, stepping the pipeline to a larger bore part way along its length will generally guarantee an improvement in performance, provided that the step is correctly located and that an increase in material flow rate can be achieved by the feeding device. An alternative to this, if you do not want to step the pipeline, is to extract air from the pipeline part way along its length. An article of mine on this subject will be found in the latest issue of Bulk Solids Handling [Vol 24 (2004) No 6]. A comparison is presented of single bore, stepped pipelines and air extraction systems and the conveyed material considered is cement. Air extraction, of course, is only applcable to positive presure conveying systems.

David Mills
Paulus Hartanto
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Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 14. Oct. 2005 - 06:01

Dear Amrit,

May I have a PDF copy of your article & other Basic Theory of dense phase pneumayic conveying ? I have problem to analyse why the capacity remains the same after being injected by another compressor flow capacity. Also, does wet compressed air will affect the dense phase pneumatic conveying capacity ?

Regards,

Paulus Hartanto

hartantop@yahoo.com

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 14. Oct. 2005 - 02:23

Paulus

Adding more air is not a sure fix for a capacity problem. It sometimes helps but many times it results in less capacity. The extra air volume has to be handled and friction losses are significantly increased as they are a function of the square of the air velocity.

As friction losses increase, the available pressure remaining to impart energy to the matetrial is decreased and therefore capacity suffers.

Wet air can definitely have an impact on the conveying system. Product characteristics will change and build ups in the line will most likely begin to take place.

Adverse effects at the discharge end relative to caking of the filter media can alo begin to take place.

Regards

Re: Pneumatic Conveying Increasing Capacity

Posted on 27. Feb. 2006 - 09:35

Originally posted by Amrit Agarwal

This article was published in the April 2004 issue of Chemical Engineering. I think you can access this magazine through your library. If you can't, please send an e-mail to me and I will then send you a PDF copy.

Regards,

Amrit T. Agarwal

Pneumatic Conveying Technologies LLC

polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax: 304 346 5125

Mr. Agarwal

May I get the copy of PDF file from you?

Thanks

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Article On Increasing The Capacity Of Pneumatic Conveying Syste…

Posted on 28. Feb. 2006 - 04:56

Dear Shenjie,

I will be glad to send you a PDF copy of my article on the above subject. Please send your request to me at the email address given below:

Amrit T. Agarwal

Consulting Engineer

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting

Email: polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax: 304 346 5125