Design Calculations for Pneumatic Conveying

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My article "Theory and Design of Dilute Phase Pneumatic Conveying Systems" was published this month in

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Regards,

Amrit T. Agarwal

Consulting Engineer

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting Services

Email:

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Article Request

Posted on 9. Sep. 2012 - 08:02

Hello Amit,

Please send me your article at rahul.jha@gmail.com


Quote Originally Posted by Amrit AgarwalView Post
My article "Theory and Design of Dilute Phase Pneumatic Conveying Systems" was published this month in Powder Handling and Processing magazine. This article gives an easy to use Excel-based calculation method for designing new dilute phase pneumatic conveying systems or for improving the performance of existing conveying systems.

Regards,

Amrit T. Agarwal

Consulting Engineer

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting Services

Email: polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax: 304 346 5125

Article Request

Posted on 9. Sep. 2012 - 08:02

Hello Amit,

Please send me your article at rahul.jha@gmail.com


Quote Originally Posted by Amrit AgarwalView Post
My article "Theory and Design of Dilute Phase Pneumatic Conveying Systems" was published this month in Powder Handling and Processing magazine. This article gives an easy to use Excel-based calculation method for designing new dilute phase pneumatic conveying systems or for improving the performance of existing conveying systems.

Regards,

Amrit T. Agarwal

Consulting Engineer

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting Services

Email: polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax: 304 346 5125

Please Send Teh Pneumatic Conveying Design Excell Sheet.

Posted on 2. Oct. 2012 - 09:01

Dear mr. Amit agarwal,

i will request to kindly send your excel sheet for deisgn of pneumatic conveying system, i

will be grateful if you can send on pramod86@sify.com,

it will be helpful for me, as i am a little novice at this front.

Awaiting your sheet

regards

pramod kumar jha

design an dproject co-ordination head.

Envior international corporation,

138, sector-4, vaishalli,

ghaziabad. Up, india

Please Send Teh Pneumatic Conveying Design Excell Sheet.

Posted on 2. Oct. 2012 - 09:01

Dear mr. Amit agarwal,

i will request to kindly send your excel sheet for deisgn of pneumatic conveying system, i

will be grateful if you can send on pramod86@sify.com,

it will be helpful for me, as i am a little novice at this front.

Awaiting your sheet

regards

pramod kumar jha

design an dproject co-ordination head.

Envior international corporation,

138, sector-4, vaishalli,

ghaziabad. Up, india

Design Calculations

Posted on 2. Oct. 2012 - 09:41

Mr. Agarwal,

Could you send me a copy of you dilute phase pneumatic conveying article?

I will use this article for my personal use.

I will repost on the article in 3 days after recieving.

Thank you very much,

Dan Merritt

danm@redriv.com

Production Engineer

Red River Commodities

Design Calculations

Posted on 2. Oct. 2012 - 09:41

Mr. Agarwal,

Could you send me a copy of you dilute phase pneumatic conveying article?

I will use this article for my personal use.

I will repost on the article in 3 days after recieving.

Thank you very much,

Dan Merritt

danm@redriv.com

Production Engineer

Red River Commodities

Hemant.Brar
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Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 20. Oct. 2012 - 04:12

Dear Amrit,

I would like to request you to please mail me your article and calculation sheet on "Theory and Design of Pneumatic Conveying Systems", for dilute as well as dense phase.

Also I would like to read your article on "Debottlenecking Pneumatic Conveying Systems" and "Improving Rotary Valve Performance".

I have already sent you the mail. My id is hemantbrar@gmail.com

Hemant.Brar
(not verified)

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 20. Oct. 2012 - 04:12

Dear Amrit,

I would like to request you to please mail me your article and calculation sheet on "Theory and Design of Pneumatic Conveying Systems", for dilute as well as dense phase.

Also I would like to read your article on "Debottlenecking Pneumatic Conveying Systems" and "Improving Rotary Valve Performance".

I have already sent you the mail. My id is hemantbrar@gmail.com

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 29. Oct. 2012 - 08:10

Dear Amrit,

I would to like to have the article on "THeory and Design of Dilute Phase Pnemuatic Conveying SYstems" as well as the excel spreadsheet that is developed by you.

I can be reached via chansiakchung@gmail.com or chansc@tpc.com.sg

Would be very grateful if you can send me the said article and excel spreadsheet.

Looking forward your favorable reply

ChanSC

Singapore

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 29. Oct. 2012 - 08:10

Dear Amrit,

I would to like to have the article on "THeory and Design of Dilute Phase Pnemuatic Conveying SYstems" as well as the excel spreadsheet that is developed by you.

I can be reached via chansiakchung@gmail.com or chansc@tpc.com.sg

Would be very grateful if you can send me the said article and excel spreadsheet.

Looking forward your favorable reply

ChanSC

Singapore

Request To Understand How To Calculation The Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 7. Dec. 2012 - 07:01

Dear Mr. Amrit T. Agarwal,

I will very grateful if you can send me your spreadsheet and article of design calculation for pneumatic conveying.

I am learning how to sizing a blower and piping for a pressure conveying from supersack to silos for PET resin.

It would help out a lot for my project. thank you!

Best Regards,

Trevor Shih

Request To Understand How To Calculation The Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 7. Dec. 2012 - 07:01

Dear Mr. Amrit T. Agarwal,

I will very grateful if you can send me your spreadsheet and article of design calculation for pneumatic conveying.

I am learning how to sizing a blower and piping for a pressure conveying from supersack to silos for PET resin.

It would help out a lot for my project. thank you!

Best Regards,

Trevor Shih

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 8. Dec. 2012 - 03:45
Quote Originally Posted by trevorshihView Post
Dear Mr. Amrit T. Agarwal,

I will very grateful if you can send me your spreadsheet and article of design calculation for pneumatic conveying.

I am learning how to sizing a blower and piping for a pressure conveying from supersack to silos for PET resin.

It would help out a lot for my project. thank you!

Best Regards,

Trevor Shih



Dear Mr. Amrit Agarwal,

Thanks for your kindly and send this article to me.

I’m reading it now and I’ll let you know how it help me. thank you again.

Best Regards,

Trevor Shih

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 8. Dec. 2012 - 03:45
Quote Originally Posted by trevorshihView Post
Dear Mr. Amrit T. Agarwal,

I will very grateful if you can send me your spreadsheet and article of design calculation for pneumatic conveying.

I am learning how to sizing a blower and piping for a pressure conveying from supersack to silos for PET resin.

It would help out a lot for my project. thank you!

Best Regards,

Trevor Shih



Dear Mr. Amrit Agarwal,

Thanks for your kindly and send this article to me.

I’m reading it now and I’ll let you know how it help me. thank you again.

Best Regards,

Trevor Shih

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 2. Feb. 2013 - 09:55

Dear Mr. Amrit T. Agarwal,

I would be very grateful if you could send me your article of design calculation for pneumatic conveying and your spreadsheet.

I am designing a pressure conveying system for PVC powder.

Thank you so much.

Best Regards,

Andreu Gubert

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 2. Feb. 2013 - 09:55

Dear Mr. Amrit T. Agarwal,

I would be very grateful if you could send me your article of design calculation for pneumatic conveying and your spreadsheet.

I am designing a pressure conveying system for PVC powder.

Thank you so much.

Best Regards,

Andreu Gubert

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 2. Feb. 2013 - 08:56
Quote Originally Posted by AGubertView Post
Dear Mr. Amrit T. Agarwal,

I would be very grateful if you could send me your article of design calculation for pneumatic conveying and your spreadsheet.

I am designing a pressure conveying system for PVC powder.

Thank you so much.

Best Regards,

Andreu Gubert

*****************************************************************************************

Dear Andreu,

I am sending my article but not my spreadsheet because that is proprietry. For my article please post any comments you have in this forum.

Please contact me if you have any questions.

Regards,

Amrit Agarwal

Consulting Engineer

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting

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Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 2. Feb. 2013 - 08:56
Quote Originally Posted by AGubertView Post
Dear Mr. Amrit T. Agarwal,

I would be very grateful if you could send me your article of design calculation for pneumatic conveying and your spreadsheet.

I am designing a pressure conveying system for PVC powder.

Thank you so much.

Best Regards,

Andreu Gubert

*****************************************************************************************

Dear Andreu,

I am sending my article but not my spreadsheet because that is proprietry. For my article please post any comments you have in this forum.

Please contact me if you have any questions.

Regards,

Amrit Agarwal

Consulting Engineer

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

daniel.kustan
(not verified)

System Design Calculatio​Ns For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 28. May. 2013 - 08:07

Dear Mr. Amrit T. Agarwal

I would like to kindly ask you to send me a copy of your article if posssible.

kustan.daniel@gmail.com is my e-mail address.

Thank you very much in advance.

Best Regards

Dniel Kustn

daniel.kustan
(not verified)

System Design Calculatio​Ns For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 28. May. 2013 - 08:07

Dear Mr. Amrit T. Agarwal

I would like to kindly ask you to send me a copy of your article if posssible.

kustan.daniel@gmail.com is my e-mail address.

Thank you very much in advance.

Best Regards

Dniel Kustn

Pneumatic Conveying Questions For Amrit Agarwal

Posted on 3. Jun. 2013 - 02:01

Dear Amrit,

Would it be possible for receive the excel spread sheet to calculate the flow for a pneumatic conveying project that i have?

Thank you,

Dana Carrara

Pneumatic Conveying Questions For Amrit Agarwal

Posted on 3. Jun. 2013 - 02:01

Dear Amrit,

Would it be possible for receive the excel spread sheet to calculate the flow for a pneumatic conveying project that i have?

Thank you,

Dana Carrara

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 3. Jun. 2013 - 03:38
Quote Originally Posted by CarraraView Post
Dear Amrit,

Would it be possible for receive the excel spread sheet to calculate the flow for a pneumatic conveying project that i have?

Thank you,

Dana Carrara

Dana,

This subject is covered in my article: "Theory and Design of Dilute Phase Pneumatic Conveying Systems". It gives an Excel-based method for these calculations along with instructions for preparing the Excel spreadsheets. I can send a copy of my article but not the spreadsheet. Is this OK with you?

Amrit Agarwal

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 3. Jun. 2013 - 03:38
Quote Originally Posted by CarraraView Post
Dear Amrit,

Would it be possible for receive the excel spread sheet to calculate the flow for a pneumatic conveying project that i have?

Thank you,

Dana Carrara

Dana,

This subject is covered in my article: "Theory and Design of Dilute Phase Pneumatic Conveying Systems". It gives an Excel-based method for these calculations along with instructions for preparing the Excel spreadsheets. I can send a copy of my article but not the spreadsheet. Is this OK with you?

Amrit Agarwal

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting

Thank You Amrit Agarwal

Posted on 3. Jun. 2013 - 07:52

Amrit

Thank you for your wonderful offer of a copy of your work, i appreciate it greatly. How would it be possible to obtain a copy of your excel spread sheet?

Thank you

Dana Carrara

Thank You Amrit Agarwal

Posted on 3. Jun. 2013 - 07:52

Amrit

Thank you for your wonderful offer of a copy of your work, i appreciate it greatly. How would it be possible to obtain a copy of your excel spread sheet?

Thank you

Dana Carrara

daniel.kustan
(not verified)

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 6. Jun. 2013 - 01:12

Dear Forum Readers

I have a little problem with my calculations.

I need to transport 3000 kg-s of dextrose along a DN80 pipeline. I have a compressor capable of 10m3-s a minute. I calculated the minimum air velocity required (according to the Rizk correlation) and I also calculated the air and solids velocity according to chapter 9 of "The Fundamentals of particle technology". So the problem is not with the calculation practice but with the theory:

Unfortunately it seems to me that the minimum velocity does not seem to be affected by the characteristics of the particles. Could someone be as kind as to shed some light on this problem for me?

Thank you in advance, and best regards.

Dniel Kustn

daniel.kustan
(not verified)

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 6. Jun. 2013 - 01:12

Dear Forum Readers

I have a little problem with my calculations.

I need to transport 3000 kg-s of dextrose along a DN80 pipeline. I have a compressor capable of 10m3-s a minute. I calculated the minimum air velocity required (according to the Rizk correlation) and I also calculated the air and solids velocity according to chapter 9 of "The Fundamentals of particle technology". So the problem is not with the calculation practice but with the theory:

Unfortunately it seems to me that the minimum velocity does not seem to be affected by the characteristics of the particles. Could someone be as kind as to shed some light on this problem for me?

Thank you in advance, and best regards.

Dniel Kustn

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 6. Jun. 2013 - 05:47

Dear Dniel Kustn,

The information, which you supply in this thread is not complete.

Particle size, conveying length and compressor pressure are missing.

Based on the given data:

Pipe size DN80 = inner diameter of 78 mm.

Pipe cross section area= 0.007464 m2

Compressor – 10 m3/min = 0.1667 m3/sec

Hence, the end air velocity = 0.1667/0.007464 = 21 m/sec

The chosen air end velocity has to correlate with the particle suspension velocity, for which we need to know at least the particle size and particle density.

3000 kg/sec of dextrose is approx. 4 m3/sec at an assumed bulk density of 750 kg/m3

This results in a dextrose velocity in a un-diluted phase, of:

vdextrose = 4/0.007464 = 535 m/sec

It is obvious that 3000 kg/sec = 180 tons/hr cannot be conveyed through a DN80 pipeline.

Supply us with more information about the installation.

vacuum- or pressure conveying

feeding device

pipe routing, bends

compressor type

particle size

particle density

bulk density

altitude above sea level

atmospheric conditions.

Have a nice day

Teus

Teus

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 6. Jun. 2013 - 05:47

Dear Dniel Kustn,

The information, which you supply in this thread is not complete.

Particle size, conveying length and compressor pressure are missing.

Based on the given data:

Pipe size DN80 = inner diameter of 78 mm.

Pipe cross section area= 0.007464 m2

Compressor – 10 m3/min = 0.1667 m3/sec

Hence, the end air velocity = 0.1667/0.007464 = 21 m/sec

The chosen air end velocity has to correlate with the particle suspension velocity, for which we need to know at least the particle size and particle density.

3000 kg/sec of dextrose is approx. 4 m3/sec at an assumed bulk density of 750 kg/m3

This results in a dextrose velocity in a un-diluted phase, of:

vdextrose = 4/0.007464 = 535 m/sec

It is obvious that 3000 kg/sec = 180 tons/hr cannot be conveyed through a DN80 pipeline.

Supply us with more information about the installation.

vacuum- or pressure conveying

feeding device

pipe routing, bends

compressor type

particle size

particle density

bulk density

altitude above sea level

atmospheric conditions.

Have a nice day

Teus

Teus

Conveying Velocity

Posted on 6. Jun. 2013 - 11:55
Quote Originally Posted by daniel.kustanView Post
Dear Forum Readers I have a little problem with my calculations. I need to transport 3000 kg-s of dextrose along a DN80 pipeline. I have a compressor capable of 10m3-s a minute. I calculated the minimum air velocity required (according to the Rizk correlation) and I also calculated the air and solids velocity according to chapter 9 of "The Fundamentals of particle technology". So the problem is not with the calculation practice but with the theory: Unfortunately it seems to me that the minimum velocity does not seem to be affected by the characteristics of the particles. Could someone be as kind as to shed some light on this problem for me? Thank you in advance, and best regards. Dniel Kustn

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Dana,

For calculation of saltation velocity. I use Matsumoto equation because it takes into account solids density also. Solids density does affect the conveying velocity. Rizk equation does not over all of the variables.

Regards,

Amrit Agarwal

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting

Email: polypcc@aol.com

Conveying Velocity

Posted on 6. Jun. 2013 - 11:55
Quote Originally Posted by daniel.kustanView Post
Dear Forum Readers I have a little problem with my calculations. I need to transport 3000 kg-s of dextrose along a DN80 pipeline. I have a compressor capable of 10m3-s a minute. I calculated the minimum air velocity required (according to the Rizk correlation) and I also calculated the air and solids velocity according to chapter 9 of "The Fundamentals of particle technology". So the problem is not with the calculation practice but with the theory: Unfortunately it seems to me that the minimum velocity does not seem to be affected by the characteristics of the particles. Could someone be as kind as to shed some light on this problem for me? Thank you in advance, and best regards. Dniel Kustn

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Dana,

For calculation of saltation velocity. I use Matsumoto equation because it takes into account solids density also. Solids density does affect the conveying velocity. Rizk equation does not over all of the variables.

Regards,

Amrit Agarwal

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting

Email: polypcc@aol.com

daniel.kustan
(not verified)

Matsumoto

Posted on 10. Jun. 2013 - 02:07

Hello Forum

Thank you for your answers. Here I would like to reply to both of them if possible. First the easy one: I found the Matsumoto equation: it is supposed to calculate the solids load ration with the help of Frt and Frs parts. Now please correct me if I am wrong, but since SLR=solids mass flow/gas mass flow the Matsumoto equation will be used to define the solids terminal velocity (Frt) and the "pick-up speed". But arent these two connected (or at least according to the Rizk correlation)?

The second part for the missing data:

vacuum- or pressure conveying: pressure

feeding device: screw (~1m long, 10 cm wide)

pipe routing, bends: 5m horiz., 90 degree bend to vertical, 5 m vertical pipe, 90 degree bend to horiz., 25 m horiz. to silo.

compressor type: cant tell but it supplies 10m3/min

particle size: 0.2 mm

particle density: 1540 kg/m3

bulk density: 600 kg/m3

altitude above sea level: 100 m

atmospheric conditions: 30% humidity usually and about 25 degrees C

daniel.kustan
(not verified)

Matsumoto

Posted on 10. Jun. 2013 - 02:07

Hello Forum

Thank you for your answers. Here I would like to reply to both of them if possible. First the easy one: I found the Matsumoto equation: it is supposed to calculate the solids load ration with the help of Frt and Frs parts. Now please correct me if I am wrong, but since SLR=solids mass flow/gas mass flow the Matsumoto equation will be used to define the solids terminal velocity (Frt) and the "pick-up speed". But arent these two connected (or at least according to the Rizk correlation)?

The second part for the missing data:

vacuum- or pressure conveying: pressure

feeding device: screw (~1m long, 10 cm wide)

pipe routing, bends: 5m horiz., 90 degree bend to vertical, 5 m vertical pipe, 90 degree bend to horiz., 25 m horiz. to silo.

compressor type: cant tell but it supplies 10m3/min

particle size: 0.2 mm

particle density: 1540 kg/m3

bulk density: 600 kg/m3

altitude above sea level: 100 m

atmospheric conditions: 30% humidity usually and about 25 degrees C

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 10. Jun. 2013 - 03:48

Dear Dniel Kustn,

I modeled the installation and ran a preliminary computer calculation.

compressor------------capacity-----pressure-------velocity

0.1667 m3/sec-------11.9 tons/hr-----1 bar-----18.6 to 44.6 m3/sec

0.15 m3/sec---------11.6 tons/hr-----1 bar-----16.7 to 41.0 m3/sec

0.125 m3/sec--------11.1 tons/hr-----1 bar-----13.9 to 35.3 m/sec

0,100 m3/sec--------10,5 tons/hr-----1 bar-----11.0 to 29.1 m/sec

The 3000 kg-sec # 180 tons/hr, as you required in your thread, cannot be achieved.

It is obvious that the feeding screw (~1m long, 10 cm wide) cannot deliver the 180 tons/hr either.

Probably, the required capacity is around 3 tons/hr.

compressor--------capacity-----pressure---------velocity

0.1667 m3/sec-----3 tons/hr-----0.271 bar-----31.4 to 38.4 m3/sec

0.15 m3/sec-------3 tons/hr-----0.239 bar-----28.9 to 34.6 m3/sec

0.125 m3/sec------3 tons/hr-----0.194 bar-----24.8 to 29.0 m/sec

0,100 m3/sec------3 tons/hr-----0.157 bar-----20.3 to 23.3 m/sec

Dilute phase conveying.

Attention:

The screw feeder should always be filled with material and designed for sealing the conveying pressure from the feeding bin. (no blow back from the pneumatic conveying system to the feeder bin)


I have a little problem with my calculations.

Be advised that it is always better to consult an installation manufacturer or consultant with special experience in the field of application.

Take care

Teus

Teus

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 10. Jun. 2013 - 03:48

Dear Dniel Kustn,

I modeled the installation and ran a preliminary computer calculation.

compressor------------capacity-----pressure-------velocity

0.1667 m3/sec-------11.9 tons/hr-----1 bar-----18.6 to 44.6 m3/sec

0.15 m3/sec---------11.6 tons/hr-----1 bar-----16.7 to 41.0 m3/sec

0.125 m3/sec--------11.1 tons/hr-----1 bar-----13.9 to 35.3 m/sec

0,100 m3/sec--------10,5 tons/hr-----1 bar-----11.0 to 29.1 m/sec

The 3000 kg-sec # 180 tons/hr, as you required in your thread, cannot be achieved.

It is obvious that the feeding screw (~1m long, 10 cm wide) cannot deliver the 180 tons/hr either.

Probably, the required capacity is around 3 tons/hr.

compressor--------capacity-----pressure---------velocity

0.1667 m3/sec-----3 tons/hr-----0.271 bar-----31.4 to 38.4 m3/sec

0.15 m3/sec-------3 tons/hr-----0.239 bar-----28.9 to 34.6 m3/sec

0.125 m3/sec------3 tons/hr-----0.194 bar-----24.8 to 29.0 m/sec

0,100 m3/sec------3 tons/hr-----0.157 bar-----20.3 to 23.3 m/sec

Dilute phase conveying.

Attention:

The screw feeder should always be filled with material and designed for sealing the conveying pressure from the feeding bin. (no blow back from the pneumatic conveying system to the feeder bin)


I have a little problem with my calculations.

Be advised that it is always better to consult an installation manufacturer or consultant with special experience in the field of application.

Take care

Teus

Teus

Dense Phase Conveyor

Posted on 11. Jun. 2013 - 09:21

Hi Amit,

I am working on a Project that involves improving the capacity of a Dense Phase conveyor.

Could you please mail me a copy of a manual or Technical brochure on improving the capacity and the article about System Design

Calculations for Pneumatic Conveying?

It would be very helpful.

Thanks & Regards,

Gomathi

+91-8050365964

goms1suba@gmail.com

Dense Phase Conveyor

Posted on 11. Jun. 2013 - 09:21

Hi Amit,

I am working on a Project that involves improving the capacity of a Dense Phase conveyor.

Could you please mail me a copy of a manual or Technical brochure on improving the capacity and the article about System Design

Calculations for Pneumatic Conveying?

It would be very helpful.

Thanks & Regards,

Gomathi

+91-8050365964

goms1suba@gmail.com

daniel.kustan
(not verified)

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 11. Jun. 2013 - 10:44
Quote Originally Posted by Teus TuinenburgView Post
Dear Dniel Kustn,

I modeled the installation and ran a preliminary computer calculation.

compressor------------capacity-----pressure-------velocity

0.1667 m3/sec-------11.9 tons/hr-----1 bar-----18.6 to 44.6 m3/sec

0.15 m3/sec---------11.6 tons/hr-----1 bar-----16.7 to 41.0 m3/sec

0.125 m3/sec--------11.1 tons/hr-----1 bar-----13.9 to 35.3 m/sec

0,100 m3/sec--------10,5 tons/hr-----1 bar-----11.0 to 29.1 m/sec

The 3000 kg-sec # 180 tons/hr, as you required in your thread, cannot be achieved.

It is obvious that the feeding screw (~1m long, 10 cm wide) cannot deliver the 180 tons/hr either.

Probably, the required capacity is around 3 tons/hr.

compressor--------capacity-----pressure---------velocity

0.1667 m3/sec-----3 tons/hr-----0.271 bar-----31.4 to 38.4 m3/sec

0.15 m3/sec-------3 tons/hr-----0.239 bar-----28.9 to 34.6 m3/sec

0.125 m3/sec------3 tons/hr-----0.194 bar-----24.8 to 29.0 m/sec

0,100 m3/sec------3 tons/hr-----0.157 bar-----20.3 to 23.3 m/sec

Dilute phase conveying.

Attention:

The screw feeder should always be filled with material and designed for sealing the conveying pressure from the feeding bin. (no blow back from the pneumatic conveying system to the feeder bin)

Be advised that it is always better to consult an installation manufacturer or consultant with special experience in the field of application.

Take care

Teus

Dear Teus

first of all, thank you for the calculations: 0.15 m3/sec-------3 tons/hr-----0.239 bar-----28.9 to 34.6 m3/sec: this result is very similar to that of mine (of course the 3t/sec was meant to be 3t/hour, sorry for the misinformation).

But as I posted earlier I also have a theoretical question:

For my calculations I used the Rizk correlation, which unfortunately does not seem to consider material properties.

Mr. Amrit Agarwal advised me to use the Matsumoto correaltion, unfortunately I cant seem to get a proper result using the Matsumoto. Could either of you please send me a sample calculation of the Matsumoto maybe in xls format, or maybe check my calculations if I send it to you?

It would be much appreciated.

Best Regards

Dniel Kustn

daniel.kustan
(not verified)

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 11. Jun. 2013 - 10:44
Quote Originally Posted by Teus TuinenburgView Post
Dear Dniel Kustn,

I modeled the installation and ran a preliminary computer calculation.

compressor------------capacity-----pressure-------velocity

0.1667 m3/sec-------11.9 tons/hr-----1 bar-----18.6 to 44.6 m3/sec

0.15 m3/sec---------11.6 tons/hr-----1 bar-----16.7 to 41.0 m3/sec

0.125 m3/sec--------11.1 tons/hr-----1 bar-----13.9 to 35.3 m/sec

0,100 m3/sec--------10,5 tons/hr-----1 bar-----11.0 to 29.1 m/sec

The 3000 kg-sec # 180 tons/hr, as you required in your thread, cannot be achieved.

It is obvious that the feeding screw (~1m long, 10 cm wide) cannot deliver the 180 tons/hr either.

Probably, the required capacity is around 3 tons/hr.

compressor--------capacity-----pressure---------velocity

0.1667 m3/sec-----3 tons/hr-----0.271 bar-----31.4 to 38.4 m3/sec

0.15 m3/sec-------3 tons/hr-----0.239 bar-----28.9 to 34.6 m3/sec

0.125 m3/sec------3 tons/hr-----0.194 bar-----24.8 to 29.0 m/sec

0,100 m3/sec------3 tons/hr-----0.157 bar-----20.3 to 23.3 m/sec

Dilute phase conveying.

Attention:

The screw feeder should always be filled with material and designed for sealing the conveying pressure from the feeding bin. (no blow back from the pneumatic conveying system to the feeder bin)

Be advised that it is always better to consult an installation manufacturer or consultant with special experience in the field of application.

Take care

Teus

Dear Teus

first of all, thank you for the calculations: 0.15 m3/sec-------3 tons/hr-----0.239 bar-----28.9 to 34.6 m3/sec: this result is very similar to that of mine (of course the 3t/sec was meant to be 3t/hour, sorry for the misinformation).

But as I posted earlier I also have a theoretical question:

For my calculations I used the Rizk correlation, which unfortunately does not seem to consider material properties.

Mr. Amrit Agarwal advised me to use the Matsumoto correaltion, unfortunately I cant seem to get a proper result using the Matsumoto. Could either of you please send me a sample calculation of the Matsumoto maybe in xls format, or maybe check my calculations if I send it to you?

It would be much appreciated.

Best Regards

Dniel Kustn

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 11. Jun. 2013 - 11:08

Learn Phase Pressure Conveying Systems (also known as Dilute Phase) generally use positive displacement (Roots type) blowers providing air at up to 1 Bar g to convey materials through a pipeline to the destination where the air and product are separated by a filter or other system.

The product must enter the convey line, which is at a higher pressure, via a special feeding device, usually a rotary valve airlock, or a venturi. The product is frequently suspended in the airflow, moving at relatively high velocities depending on the particle sizes and densities.

Systems generally operate on a continuous basis - product is constantly supplied at the starting point, and arriving at the destination without interruption. This allows this type of system to be easily adapted for dosing and continuous weighing applications.

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Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 11. Jun. 2013 - 11:08

Learn Phase Pressure Conveying Systems (also known as Dilute Phase) generally use positive displacement (Roots type) blowers providing air at up to 1 Bar g to convey materials through a pipeline to the destination where the air and product are separated by a filter or other system.

The product must enter the convey line, which is at a higher pressure, via a special feeding device, usually a rotary valve airlock, or a venturi. The product is frequently suspended in the airflow, moving at relatively high velocities depending on the particle sizes and densities.

Systems generally operate on a continuous basis - product is constantly supplied at the starting point, and arriving at the destination without interruption. This allows this type of system to be easily adapted for dosing and continuous weighing applications.

[URL="http://www.ruhrpumpen.com/productos/ZM%20I%20-%20II"]Pipeline Pump to adjust the pressure from Ruhrpumpen[/URL]

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 11. Jun. 2013 - 05:54
Quote Originally Posted by gomathiView Post
Hi Amit,

I am working on a Project that involves improving the capacity of a Dense Phase conveyor.

Could you please mail me a copy of a manual or Technical brochure on improving the capacity and the article about System Design

Calculations for Pneumatic Conveying?

It would be very helpful.

Thanks & Regards,

Gomathi

+91-8050365964

goms1suba@gmail.com

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++

Dear Gomathi,

My article will not help you much because it is related to Dilute Phase Conveying only. For improving your dense phase systems I suggest you describe its present design so that it can be discussed here in this Forum.

Regards,

Amrit Agarwal

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting

Email: polypcc@aaol.com

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 11. Jun. 2013 - 05:54
Quote Originally Posted by gomathiView Post
Hi Amit,

I am working on a Project that involves improving the capacity of a Dense Phase conveyor.

Could you please mail me a copy of a manual or Technical brochure on improving the capacity and the article about System Design

Calculations for Pneumatic Conveying?

It would be very helpful.

Thanks & Regards,

Gomathi

+91-8050365964

goms1suba@gmail.com

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++

Dear Gomathi,

My article will not help you much because it is related to Dilute Phase Conveying only. For improving your dense phase systems I suggest you describe its present design so that it can be discussed here in this Forum.

Regards,

Amrit Agarwal

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting

Email: polypcc@aaol.com

daniel.kustan
(not verified)

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 12. Jun. 2013 - 08:51
Quote Originally Posted by Teus TuinenburgView Post
Dear Dniel Kustn,

I modeled the installation and ran a preliminary computer calculation.

compressor------------capacity-----pressure-------velocity

0.1667 m3/sec-------11.9 tons/hr-----1 bar-----18.6 to 44.6 m3/sec

0.15 m3/sec---------11.6 tons/hr-----1 bar-----16.7 to 41.0 m3/sec

0.125 m3/sec--------11.1 tons/hr-----1 bar-----13.9 to 35.3 m/sec

0,100 m3/sec--------10,5 tons/hr-----1 bar-----11.0 to 29.1 m/sec

The 3000 kg-sec # 180 tons/hr, as you required in your thread, cannot be achieved.

It is obvious that the feeding screw (~1m long, 10 cm wide) cannot deliver the 180 tons/hr either.

Probably, the required capacity is around 3 tons/hr.

compressor--------capacity-----pressure---------velocity

0.1667 m3/sec-----3 tons/hr-----0.271 bar-----31.4 to 38.4 m3/sec

0.15 m3/sec-------3 tons/hr-----0.239 bar-----28.9 to 34.6 m3/sec

0.125 m3/sec------3 tons/hr-----0.194 bar-----24.8 to 29.0 m/sec

0,100 m3/sec------3 tons/hr-----0.157 bar-----20.3 to 23.3 m/sec

Dilute phase conveying.

Attention:

The screw feeder should always be filled with material and designed for sealing the conveying pressure from the feeding bin. (no blow back from the pneumatic conveying system to the feeder bin)

Be advised that it is always better to consult an installation manufacturer or consultant with special experience in the field of application.

Take care

Teus

Dear Teus

First of all thank you for your answers. Of course the capacity is 3t/hour not 3t/sec, sorry about the misinformation).

When applying the Rizk correlation I seem to do something wrong since my result is at around 16 m/s not even close to your 31.4 m/sec (althoug this 16m/s is the saltation velocity). And one more favor to ask. I also calculated my saltation velocoty according to the Matsumoto correlation following the advice of Mr. Amrit Agarwal but a ridiculous result of 1m/s is surely not the result that should be attained. I wonder if it would be possible for me to receive some kind of excel sheet from you to check where my fault lies. Or I could also send my calculations.

Thank you in advance

Dniel

daniel.kustan
(not verified)

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 12. Jun. 2013 - 08:51
Quote Originally Posted by Teus TuinenburgView Post
Dear Dniel Kustn,

I modeled the installation and ran a preliminary computer calculation.

compressor------------capacity-----pressure-------velocity

0.1667 m3/sec-------11.9 tons/hr-----1 bar-----18.6 to 44.6 m3/sec

0.15 m3/sec---------11.6 tons/hr-----1 bar-----16.7 to 41.0 m3/sec

0.125 m3/sec--------11.1 tons/hr-----1 bar-----13.9 to 35.3 m/sec

0,100 m3/sec--------10,5 tons/hr-----1 bar-----11.0 to 29.1 m/sec

The 3000 kg-sec # 180 tons/hr, as you required in your thread, cannot be achieved.

It is obvious that the feeding screw (~1m long, 10 cm wide) cannot deliver the 180 tons/hr either.

Probably, the required capacity is around 3 tons/hr.

compressor--------capacity-----pressure---------velocity

0.1667 m3/sec-----3 tons/hr-----0.271 bar-----31.4 to 38.4 m3/sec

0.15 m3/sec-------3 tons/hr-----0.239 bar-----28.9 to 34.6 m3/sec

0.125 m3/sec------3 tons/hr-----0.194 bar-----24.8 to 29.0 m/sec

0,100 m3/sec------3 tons/hr-----0.157 bar-----20.3 to 23.3 m/sec

Dilute phase conveying.

Attention:

The screw feeder should always be filled with material and designed for sealing the conveying pressure from the feeding bin. (no blow back from the pneumatic conveying system to the feeder bin)

Be advised that it is always better to consult an installation manufacturer or consultant with special experience in the field of application.

Take care

Teus

Dear Teus

First of all thank you for your answers. Of course the capacity is 3t/hour not 3t/sec, sorry about the misinformation).

When applying the Rizk correlation I seem to do something wrong since my result is at around 16 m/s not even close to your 31.4 m/sec (althoug this 16m/s is the saltation velocity). And one more favor to ask. I also calculated my saltation velocoty according to the Matsumoto correlation following the advice of Mr. Amrit Agarwal but a ridiculous result of 1m/s is surely not the result that should be attained. I wonder if it would be possible for me to receive some kind of excel sheet from you to check where my fault lies. Or I could also send my calculations.

Thank you in advance

Dniel

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 12. Jun. 2013 - 08:41

Dear Dniel Kustn,

Posted in a thread on the 13th of October 2009:

Rizk equation:

SLR = 1/(10^(1.44*d+1.96) * {Vs/sqrt(gD)}^(1.1*d+2.5)

Here, a direct relationship is assumed between SLR and Vs.

Example for cement:

SLR = solid loading ratio = 50

d = particle size in mm = 0.05 mm

g = 9.81 m/sec2

D = pipe diameter in m = 0.25 m

Vs = calculated minimum conveying velocity in m/sec

If SLR=0 then Vs=0

If SLR=0.5 then Vs=7.5

If SLR=1 then Vs=10

If SLR=5 then Vs=18.5

If SLR=10 then Vs=25

If SLR=20 then Vs=31.5

If SLR=30 then Vs=37

If SLR=40 then Vs=41.5

If SLR=50 then Vs=45.2

In pneumatic cement, it is well-known that a conveying air velocity at atmospheric conditions of approx. 11 m/sec is more than sufficient.

In addition, this equation has the problem that the three variables (SLR, D and Vs) are all three unknown and that the start of the design is depending on an arbitrary choice of values of two of the variables and the calculate the third variable.

It seems that this formula is a difficult one to use.

Matsumoto equation:

SLR=1.11*(particle/gas )^0.55*(Frsusp./10)^(-2.3)*(Frsalt.)/10)^3

in which:

Frsusp=velsusp/√(g*d)

Frsalt.=velsalt/√(g*d)

I could not figure out how to use this equation.

Cheers

Teus

Teus

Re: Design Calculations For Pneumatic Conveying

Posted on 12. Jun. 2013 - 08:41

Dear Dniel Kustn,

Posted in a thread on the 13th of October 2009:

Rizk equation:

SLR = 1/(10^(1.44*d+1.96) * {Vs/sqrt(gD)}^(1.1*d+2.5)

Here, a direct relationship is assumed between SLR and Vs.

Example for cement:

SLR = solid loading ratio = 50

d = particle size in mm = 0.05 mm

g = 9.81 m/sec2

D = pipe diameter in m = 0.25 m

Vs = calculated minimum conveying velocity in m/sec

If SLR=0 then Vs=0

If SLR=0.5 then Vs=7.5

If SLR=1 then Vs=10

If SLR=5 then Vs=18.5

If SLR=10 then Vs=25

If SLR=20 then Vs=31.5

If SLR=30 then Vs=37

If SLR=40 then Vs=41.5

If SLR=50 then Vs=45.2

In pneumatic cement, it is well-known that a conveying air velocity at atmospheric conditions of approx. 11 m/sec is more than sufficient.

In addition, this equation has the problem that the three variables (SLR, D and Vs) are all three unknown and that the start of the design is depending on an arbitrary choice of values of two of the variables and the calculate the third variable.

It seems that this formula is a difficult one to use.

Matsumoto equation:

SLR=1.11*(particle/gas )^0.55*(Frsusp./10)^(-2.3)*(Frsalt.)/10)^3

in which:

Frsusp=velsusp/√(g*d)

Frsalt.=velsalt/√(g*d)

I could not figure out how to use this equation.

Cheers

Teus

Teus