Re: Fluid Coupling Oil Low And Motor Amps Go High
Think about the % of fill level in a fluid coupling, the lower the level the more slippage you would have. Slippage decreases the speed of the conveyor thus increasing the material load on the conveyor (assuming a constant feed rate) which in turn increases the amperage of the motor. ■
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Re: Fluid Coupling Oil Low And Motor Amps Go High
the lower the level the more slippage
Agreed.
When all the oil is drained, there will be no torque transmittal at all
Slippage decreases the speed of the conveyor
Agreed.
Due to the lower oil level, the torque transmission is lower and therefore the conveyor speed reduces.
increasing the material load on the conveyor (assuming a constant feed rate)
Agreed.
The conveyor filling will increase, due to the lower conveyor speed.
which in turn increases the amperage of the motor.
This statement is not logical.
If the torque transmission from the e-motor reduces and the e-motor rpm stays (almost) constant, the amperage of the e-motor should decrease with the lower torque transmission, caused by the lower oil level.
If a lower oil level leads to a higher amperage, then with no oil at all (completely empty and zero torque transmission) the e-motor consumes the highest current at zero torque as it was stalled.
Remark: A low oil level induces high oil temperatures until a melting fuse drains all the oil to save the installation and unload the e-motor. ■
Teus
Re: Fluid Coupling Oil Low And Motor Amps Go High
Teus
I would agree with you if you are at the max torque capacity of the FC when the load on the conveyor increases. But as the conveyor load increases the motor load will increase to the limiting torque of the FC. If the designer designed the system so that it is running at the max torque capacity at normal operating conditions then I would be looking for a new designer.
All the best.
Gary ■
Gary Blenkhorn
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Dear Mr. Ganesh,
in order to come to a more distinct understanding of your intent or perhaps a technical issue underlying your question, I'd like to request you to give us the numbers of the case you have in mind!
conveyor loading, conv. speed, pulley dia. and motor rpm characteristics
FL. coupling type & size
standard fill level - resp. motor amp.
decreased level - resp. motor amp.
temperature readinngs, instances of blown melting screws
Kind regards
R. ■
Re: Fluid Coupling Oil Low And Motor Amps Go High
Gary,
Thanks’ for the additional information.
I understand that the FC is transmitting the required torque by the increased slip.
A long as the drive system (e-motor and FC) can deliver the required higher torque for the conveyor, at cost of higher slip (and temperature) the system will operate.
As soon as the oil level becomes too low, the melting fuse should act before damage is done.
Balancing the drive torque curves with the required torque curves until equilibrium, should mr. Ganesh make clear how it works.
The questions of Roland actually belong to the information that should have come with the original thread. ■
Teus
Re: Fluid Coupling Oil Low And Motor Amps Go High
Hello,
As explained by Mr. Gary Blenkhorn, the lesser fluid level causes the more slip in fluid coupling which in turn will result into relatively slower speed of conveyor and consequently will result into higher value of material load kg/m and hence more resisting force / torque / amperage.
Please find attached herewith induction motors characteristics graph as an addition to above information. As can be seen more torque by motor also results into more current (both increase simultaneously in the operational speed range of motor).
It is presumed that the question refers to conveyor operational situation wherein oil level decrease is not excessive, conveyor speed reduction is also small value, and thereby zero speed switch (belt monitor switch) has not intervened to trip the conveyor (as per tolerance setting in zero speed switch).
Ishwar G. Mulani
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Fluid coupling oil low and motor amps go high
Dear experts,
I am seeing that whenever fluid coupling oil level goes low, the motor current goes high. I could not understand the reason. I was thinking that the load on the motor would be reduced, when oil level in coupling is reducing.
Could someone please clarify how it is happening ?
Many thanks & regards,
S.Ganesh ■