Automated Cleaning of Chutes

Posted in: , on 5. Feb. 2015 - 10:34

Hello everyone,

I work in iron ore industry and one of the biggest problems we have, with a heavy impact on production, are chute blockages. They cause massive amount of delays. The way we deal with this at the moment is simply by opening chute doors and cleaning them manually. We require very high water pressure and often a lot of time to clean only one chute, due to sticky ore and heavy bulldup.

Is anyone aware of any automatic cleaning technology?

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Re: Automated Cleaning Of Chutes

Posted on 25. Apr. 2016 - 09:37
Quote Originally Posted by lukaziView Post
Hello everyone,

I work in iron ore industry and one of the biggest problems we have, with a heavy impact on production, are chute blockages. They cause massive amount of delays. The way we deal with this at the moment is simply by opening chute doors and cleaning them manually. We require very high water pressure and often a lot of time to clean only one chute, due to sticky ore and heavy bulldup.

Is anyone aware of any automatic cleaning technology?

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You can invest in slick sheet material that will prevent the iron ore from sticking. It is time consuming to to install but it works.

lzaharis

www.superslide.com

Re: Automated Cleaning Of Chutes

Posted on 13. Jul. 2016 - 02:36
Quote Originally Posted by lukaziView Post
Thanks for your reply. That sounds like an excellent idea. I'm just a bit suspicious how the canons would cover such a large area inside the chute and still have very high pressure.

Would you have any link to this solution?

Good dau Lukazi,

We are the designers and developers of the WEBA Chute Systems and Solution. We agree that the design plays an important role. We have been developing a system using aircannons and other equipment to deal with sticky material. Please contact us directly for more information. You can email our CEO Werner Baller at wernerb@webachute.com

Alwin Nienaber Director WEBA CHUTES International Phone: +27 11 827 9372 Email: [email]alwin@mjeng.co.za[/email]

Big Bang Theories.

Posted on 15. Jul. 2016 - 10:02

If the material sticks to the chute walls an air cannon is not an efficient cleaning method. Material is still stuck on the walls just waiting for the next chance to block the show. If an air cannon is useful it usually implies that there would be no blockage if the chute had been designed better. Very often the trouble with chutes lies in the quest for capacity at the expense of flow reliability. Most people ignore the fact that a blocked chute has no useful capacity other than overtime for the crew:..( half of the original thread confirms this). Until this is recognised there will still be air cannons and very good luck to them.

A not really recent thread concerned blocked chutes in permafrost conditions. One solution was to leave the outlet side open so that frozen material could be hacked out downstream. With a lot less hacking the principle could be applied to sticky material: or not?

In my pet topic of vehicles for bulk there are many walking floor applications coming on the scene. Could they be worth trying?

John Gateley johngateley@hotmail.com www.the-credible-bulk.com

Chute Blockage

Posted on 15. Jul. 2016 - 10:08

A common problem is that the reliable performance of chutes is crucial to efficient production yet they frequently receive scant detail design attention because they are considered simple items of low technology, where the eye can see a clear flow path. Their low capital cost to manufacture does not appear to warrant high design costs or the conduction of tests to measure the adhesion and friction properties on different contact materials. TUNRA has done much work on chute design to address blockage problems and wear and could be a useful contact. Some simple features, such as radius corners, are often not included. Sticky materials love the high surface are of square corners as a base to build on and can be quite tenacious to dislodge. Connections for high pressure water injection under potential blocking points may be useful if water can be tolerated, otherwise small air cannons could be effective for local regions. If the blockages are so disruptive to production you may consider redesigning the transfer point to include a clog resisting screw to keep the product moving.

Re: Automated Cleaning Of Chutes

Posted on 18. Jul. 2016 - 02:19

I don't have nearly as much experience as you guys, especially design experience, but this is my view based on my frontline experience (most of it including manually hosing blocked chutes).

My view is that big iron ore mining companies have invested hundreds of millions of dollars in pursuit for a perfect chute, a chute that's never going to block up. Working for these multinational miners, I have seen hundreds of chutes in operation (a variety of different designs) and guess what - each and every single one of them blocks up with very sticky ores. So you are telling me that this perfect chute exists but no one has made it yet? Or that these multi bilion dolar companies were just not lucky enough to choose the right company that's gonna design the right transfer for them?

Therefore since every single chute will block sooner or later with these wet and sticky ores, there is no other solution than to implement a corrective strategy - to design an automatic cleaning system. Inflatable liners will rip to shreds. Vibrations will just compact the ore even harder (I don't have experience with them but I trust some of the experienced posters above). But how about high pressure water? That's exactly what we do in the plant, so let's just automate the process. I'm not suggesting to use water while the product is running through the system, I'm suggesting to run these high pressure nozzles during ore breaks in the system. Say we position a number of high pressure cleaning nozzles in strategic locations (where there is no contact with the ore stream) and automate them to run during ore breaks. Exactly what we do manually. No difference.

What do you guys think?

Pulping The Books.

Posted on 18. Jul. 2016 - 09:59
Quote Originally Posted by lukaziView Post
..... mining companies have invested hundreds of millions of dollars in pursuit for a perfect chute, .......

I agree with most of this reply except the bit quoted above. The fact remains that chutes are seen as a simple box and as such they are not prioritised for research and development. Certainly not to the extent of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Flushing with water is tricky for the process metallurgist who has to mill the stuff later down the line. Sometimes its good and sometimes it isn't. That suggests that the material handling process was not correctly examined in the first place. If flushing was OK them why wasn't hydraulic conveying used in the first place? If the milling charge will not tolerate more water then the mill delivery system was clearly wrong. We accept that chutes will block but we still use them. Nickel mining in Australia improved the situation by primary ore treatment which enabled hydraulic conveying. It's probably been done elsewhere. When ore transport is undertaken the engineering takes run-of-mine to the plant in belt conveyors simply because it is perceived cheaper than alternatives. It definitely isn't the perfect way: but it is cheap...and nasty. The problem is not chute design it is a problem of plant layout and equipment selection by chemists masquerading as engineers.

If hundreds of millions of dollars had gone down the sewer then surely somebody should/would have seen the folly of sticky ores in chutes long ago. Whichever way you look at it: blame the accountants.

John Gateley johngateley@hotmail.com www.the-credible-bulk.com

Re: Automated Cleaning Of Chutes

Posted on 18. Jul. 2016 - 10:46
Quote Originally Posted by johngateleyView Post
I agree with most of this reply except the bit quoted above. The fact remains that chutes are seen as a simple box and as such they are not prioritised for research and development. Certainly not to the extent of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Flushing with water is tricky for the process metallurgist who has to mill the stuff later down the line. Sometimes its good and sometimes it isn't. That suggests that the material handling process was not correctly examined in the first place. If flushing was OK them why wasn't hydraulic conveying used in the first place? If the milling charge will not tolerate more water then the mill delivery system was clearly wrong. We accept that chutes will block but we still use them. Nickel mining in Australia improved the situation by primary ore treatment which enabled hydraulic conveying. It's probably been done elsewhere. When ore transport is undertaken the engineering takes run-of-mine to the plant in belt conveyors simply because it is perceived cheaper than alternatives. It definitely isn't the perfect way: but it is cheap...and nasty. The problem is not chute design it is a problem of plant layout and equipment selection by chemists masquerading as engineers.

If hundreds of millions of dollars had gone down the sewer then surely somebody should/would have seen the folly of sticky ores in chutes long ago. Whichever way you look at it: blame the accountants.

Hi John,

I work in a port ore handling plant where the only form of processing is lump screening. Very simple, from a rake to a stockpile/ship or from a reclaimer to the ship. But very complicated at the same time because of a huge size of the plant and hence the number of transfers (I wouldn't lie if I say more than 80 transfers). Some of these transfers have been designed just several years ago, some many years ago, but some of them have been upgraded lately. And none of them has been 'perfect' when handling sticky ores.

When I'm talking about the automated chute cleaning system, what I mean here is just pure automation of what we already do manually - clean those chutes when there is no ore on conveyors, for example when ship loaders are performing hatch changes or in between rakes. This water doesn't interfere with any chemical or physical process since there are none of these in our port facility. You are right, the added water goes to the ship. But it goes to the ship anyway when we clean the chutes manually, so there is no difference.

The only concern about this system in my opinion would be maintenance costs, potential wear and tear and how effective would these sprays be. I believe it's possible to install them away from the ore stream to minimize the wear factor. But to be effective we would need a number of these spray heads, say 5-10, and they need to cover most of the contact area (where the buildup is occurring) when they are in action.

Plenty Of Thought

Posted on 20. Jul. 2016 - 05:59

Before the Indonesians imposed their 'local content' restrictions on mineral ores it was common practice for the Chinese, and some others (French lesserly), to ship sticky, very sticky, laterite nickel ore to homebase. The only wetting involved was climatic. Topsoil was stripped; dumped aside in the forest and the ore was lightered aboard in Weda Bay, Halmahera. In some form of poetic justice, Hukum Karma, is the Asian phrase, several ships went down due to slip planes developing en voyage. Two mishaps are well recorded.

Shouldn't there be some legislation to protect sailors and the sea? What fool pays for unknown water content in his cargo anyway, coal exports apart? In the days when I was active I often proposed dewatering screening before the mast and nowadays I don't have to care: but there it is! Another can of worms.

John Gateley johngateley@hotmail.com www.the-credible-bulk.com

Re: Automated Cleaning Of Chutes

Posted on 21. Jul. 2016 - 06:07
Quote Originally Posted by johngateleyView Post
Before the Indonesians imposed their 'local content' restrictions on mineral ores it was common practice for the Chinese, and some others (French lesserly), to ship sticky, very sticky, laterite nickel ore to homebase. The only wetting involved was climatic. Topsoil was stripped; dumped aside in the forest and the ore was lightered aboard in Weda Bay, Halmahera. In some form of poetic justice, Hukum Karma, is the Asian phrase, several ships went down due to slip planes developing en voyage. Two mishaps are well recorded.

Shouldn't there be some legislation to protect sailors and the sea? What fool pays for unknown water content in his cargo anyway, coal exports apart? In the days when I was active I often proposed dewatering screening before the mast and nowadays I don't have to care: but there it is! Another can of worms.

Hi John,

That's a really interesting thought. Certainly liquefaction would be one of the main concerns. However according to IMO regulations, iron ore fines that contain more than 35% of goethite fall under the group C cargo and is not prone to liqeafsctuon. Our two stickiest iron ore products fall into this group. So using water to clean chutes wouldn't be a problem in those two cases.

Our clients pay for the cargo on the dry basis, so they would get a 'discount' for the amount of water present in the cargo. In this case more water on the ship would mean less money for us, however I believe the downtime caused by blocked chute delays would be much more expensive.

I think my main concern would be how effective these cleaning systems would be and how intensive their maintenance would be as well.

Mother Nature Is A Bitch!

Posted on 24. Jul. 2016 - 08:13

The IMO says fines are not prone to liquefaction. Prone is another way of saying "what can happen will happen". Obviously there wasn't a proper Chinese translation.

Even so you are carting run-of-mine with larger lumps so fines are not the only cargo.

Rules are meant to be broken. When I took my ADR, hazardous goods, I was obliged to point out to the examiner that bulk coal was spontaneously combustible. He quoted absurd situations to compare baled straw and a single lump of coal. Some regulations say that heavy oil is not combustible but fail to explain how it changes into fuel. Many regulations are deficient by choice and even vaguer in application. Dewatering screens are cheap and effective means to limit moisture content and when an effective remedy is available it should be incorporated. Then there should be no objection to wetting at will.

The downtime caused by a sunken ship might even be more expensive than a blocked chute: with or without IMO backup and depending on the insurance situation of an ageing ship of course.

My reasons for mentioning clowns were that the ship is paid for tonnage; the clown has to dewater somewhere otherwise he wouldn't be asking for discount and the exporter is seriously reducing his cash flow and water recovery. Oft times in Western Australia the process water costs more than the iron ore...unless brine is used. Once again it enters the accountants court, bless 'em.

John Gateley johngateley@hotmail.com www.the-credible-bulk.com

Re: Automated Cleaning Of Chutes

Posted on 30. Jul. 2016 - 11:48
Quote Originally Posted by johngateleyView Post
The IMO says fines are not prone to liquefaction. Prone is another way of saying "what can happen will happen". Obviously there wasn't a proper Chinese translation.

Even so you are carting run-of-mine with larger lumps so fines are not the only cargo.

Rules are meant to be broken. When I took my ADR, hazardous goods, I was obliged to point out to the examiner that bulk coal was spontaneously combustible. He quoted absurd situations to compare baled straw and a single lump of coal. Some regulations say that heavy oil is not combustible but fail to explain how it changes into fuel. Many regulations are deficient by choice and even vaguer in application. Dewatering screens are cheap and effective means to limit moisture content and when an effective remedy is available it should be incorporated. Then there should be no objection to wetting at will.

The downtime caused by a sunken ship might even be more expensive than a blocked chute: with or without IMO backup and depending on the insurance situation of an ageing ship of course.

My reasons for mentioning clowns were that the ship is paid for tonnage; the clown has to dewater somewhere otherwise he wouldn't be asking for discount and the exporter is seriously reducing his cash flow and water recovery. Oft times in Western Australia the process water costs more than the iron ore...unless brine is used. Once again it enters the accountants court, bless 'em.

I sent you a PM John.

Cheers!