Multiple discharge by an steel silo

Posted in: , on 25. Jan. 2006 - 12:13

hi everybody

i am interested to know about how i can design a steel bin/silo with a effective capacity of 5000 m3 i know that can use a one or double cone for dischrge section but is it possible to build it with 3 cone with 120 degree angle if its possible plz show me sample design and related flowability. material handeled is DRI with 1.7 t/m3 density

best regard

ghadridjan

Re: Multiple Discharge By An Steel Silo

Posted on 27. Jan. 2006 - 09:33

Multiple outlet designs are possible, and I have seen twin, triple and quadruple outlets on conical silo designs. Where you will have to be very careful is in considering the structural implications when you have one or two outlets operating only - or sequential operation of the outlets. Considering the size of you proposed silo, the last thing you should run the risk of generating are bending moments in the shell of the silo at the boundaries of flowing and non flowing regions of material. As with any storage vessel design/modification you really ought to invest resource at the start of the project to characterise the bulk particulate to be stored and base the design (for reliable flow and structural considerations) on the data obtained.

In summary, what you are proposing could be undertaken - but you must consider the structural implications imposed by the flow patterns that will develop and the way in which you will operate the outlets. Proceed with caution.

Regards

Richard Farnish

The Wolfson Centre for Bulk Solids Handling Technology

University of Greenwich

Chatham, Kent

UK

www.bulksolids.com

r.j.farnish@gre.ac.uk

Re: Multiple Discharge By An Steel Silo

Posted on 27. Jan. 2006 - 11:32

DEAR Ghadridjan , Please note that a steel silo having 5000 m3 cap. is not adviseable,you can go for 2x2500 t cap.,It is posible to have 4 outlets at the bottom of the hopper,the advise given by Mr.Richard Farnish is very logical.

libran seth

RPD - Invista (UK) Ltd., U.K.
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Re: Multiple Discharge By An Steel Silo

Posted on 27. Jan. 2006 - 03:48

Libran,

I was interested in your comment that "a single 5000 te silo is not advisable", why is that?

Did you mean that you believe 2 x 2500 is more cost effective or do you believe that there is a technical reason why 5000 te should not be stored in one vessel?

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Posted on 28. Jan. 2006 - 06:08

Tanx for Mre farnish, libran and PRD for reply on this subject

i want to know about this Size 5000 m3 This is the manufactred steel bin in Direct Reduction Plant in iran that have only one discharge its constructed by structural steel and in the good condition i must to design a set of bin for the new project which consist of 4x5000 m3 for storagde of non intrruped of flow of DRI to Steel making factory therefore i must gauranteed this plant there is 3 belt conveyor which transfer DRI to Steel making factory (SMF) 2 is in operate at the same time and one is for standby (in emegency cause beacuase of sudden problem in any of 2 conveyor) therfore i need to have a 3 discharge from any of the silo to habdle this design i am very appreciate to anybody to help me

best regard

Ghadridjan

Re: Multiple Discharge By An Steel Silo

Posted on 28. Jan. 2006 - 11:17

DEAR SIR

I have Designed 5000 T silo for storing DRI to MP Iron And Steel Gwalior India

This silo is having !2 m Diameter and 4 openings at bottom. Each opening is provided with vibrating feeders and material is discharged to common belt conveyor

I donot think any problem Silo can be designed for 3 openings as Desired

A R SINGH

A R SINGH DIRECTOR MODTECH MATERIAL HANDLING PROJECTS PVT LTD PLOT NO.325,SECTOR-24 FARIDABAD,HARYANA, INDIA

Re: Multiple Discharge By An Steel Silo

Posted on 28. Jan. 2006 - 11:39

Dear arsingh

Tanx for respoce i need about that silo is the 4 opening in a one row or in a double row. i need it in a one row to allow me to charge in a 3 seperaite belt conveyor.

Best regard

ghadridjan

Multiple Opening In Silo

Posted on 28. Jan. 2006 - 11:58

Dear ghadridjan

four opings will be in two rows However you can change orentation of vibrating feeders for making suitable for feeding to thee conveyors.

Altenatly you can provide three openins at 120 degree and each opening can feed to individaul conveyor

A R SINGH

A R SINGH DIRECTOR MODTECH MATERIAL HANDLING PROJECTS PVT LTD PLOT NO.325,SECTOR-24 FARIDABAD,HARYANA, INDIA

Re: Multiple Discharge By An Steel Silo

Posted on 28. Jan. 2006 - 12:13

Dear arsingh

tanx for fast responding the 3 opening with 120 deg. angle is same as my idea but i looking for practical design which manufactured suitable in similar plant beacuase i am not sure about the free flow of material at discharge section

best regard

ghadridjan

Multiple Opening

Posted on 28. Jan. 2006 - 12:57

You provide three opening @120 degree or four opening @ 90 degree . Each opnig will be connected with individual cone and sutably joined at top with sufficient valley angle to a common culinderical hopper. In both the cases proper design can be provided to have free flow

A R SINGH

A R SINGH DIRECTOR MODTECH MATERIAL HANDLING PROJECTS PVT LTD PLOT NO.325,SECTOR-24 FARIDABAD,HARYANA, INDIA

Re: Multiple Discharge By An Steel Silo

Posted on 28. Jan. 2006 - 01:33

Dear arsingh

can u advice me to have design this individual cone for major dimesion like diameter, angle , shell thickness and opening diameter

plz consider the major dimension for main bin as follow

bin dia.=18m , height=30m , Disch. Cap.=350 t/h

best regard

ghadridjan

Multi Opening Silo

Posted on 30. Jan. 2006 - 08:07

Dear Ghadridjan

First of all you fix location of all three openings by Centre line of conveyors. Considering about 800 mm belt width and 1000mm walkway center to center shall be about 2300 mm between two conveyors . outer to outer of thee conveyors will be about 6000 mm Based on above requirement all the three openings should be inside 6 m Radius

You can reduce 18 m dia silo to about 6 m dia silo considering 55 degree side angle. You can join this bottom to 3 nos of 600 dia openings through transition piece Sides of transition piece to be properly designed to have atleast 50 degree valley angle

Shell thickness will be based on your Structural design calculation requirement considering corrosion allowance

As rough estimate you can check design with 12 mm thickness at conical portion and 8 mm at vertical portion considering 800 mm stiffner spacing

You may consider following

!.0 While discharging DRI in 30 m silo material will be degraded, you may have to

consider rock ladder or spiral chute inside the silo to avoid material degradation

2.0 To avoid spontaneous combustion you may have to provide nitrogen perging

3.0 Some times client changes product tlike DRI To HBI Discuss with End User and design silo considering HBI density

In case you need Any other Help Please send me Details

best regard

A R INGH

A R SINGH DIRECTOR MODTECH MATERIAL HANDLING PROJECTS PVT LTD PLOT NO.325,SECTOR-24 FARIDABAD,HARYANA, INDIA

Re: Multiple Discharge By An Steel Silo

Posted on 30. Jan. 2006 - 11:04

Dear INGH

tanx so much because of ur good advice

but for ur Items 1 to 3 i answer as follow

1- yes i use from a rock ladder to decrease the fine genereation

2- for avoid of combustion risk i use a seal gas purging (N2 & CO2)

3- for HBI i think its cayse the more expensice than DRI & the steel making factory is in the near of this plant therefore HBI is not econimical solution

i think ur advice is usefull for me but beacuse of ur experince in Steel production i know about ur idea to charging contniusly of DRI into the Steel making factory , I know that there is difference between the maintenace cycle of these factory but whats ur idea is it possible and econimical or no

best regard

ghadridjan