Dust cleanling problem

Posted in: , on 16. Mar. 2006 - 14:10

this is about a dust-cleaning pulse bag collector problem

it is very often using pulse bag collector to remove the carbon black which come from mixer in rubber plant, now the bag diameter 150mm and length 2000mm, every pulse valve is connect with 6 bags, the total sum about pulse valve is 16, in other word there are 96 bags in 14720*3270 sqrt area , the pulse valve diameter is DN25mm, the pressure is 6 kgf/cm^2, and pulse time is 0.2s, when we found it is not suitable ,so we change it to 0.5s, but that is still not very well to de-dust, the dust including carbon black , little oil mist and vapor, the blower pressure is 3000Pa, airflow : 10000m^/h, i will give a picture.

so how can i change the parameters or structure to make the de-duster in good shape?

thanks

best regards

Dust Collector Problem

Posted on 17. Mar. 2006 - 02:13

Kevin,

To solve your problem you should read my article "Design Guide for Dust Collectors" published in Chemical Engineering in April 2005. This article will be a great help to you in understanding the reasons for poor dust collector performance.

Regards,

Amrit T. Agarwal

Consulting Engineer

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting

Email: polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax: 304 346 5125

Thanks

Posted on 17. Mar. 2006 - 07:56

i want to know , how much air flow is needed, when the pluse valve is blowing every time , according to my calculation , the air velocity from blower is approx 1m/s, so maybe that is too high so that the particle can not settlement? and other question, howcan i select the pulse valve diameter?

thanks

Re: Dust Collector Problem

Posted on 17. Mar. 2006 - 02:04

Dear Amrit,

Could you send me this article"Design Guide for Dust Collectors" to me?

I have read your another article"theory and design of dilute pneumatic conveying systems".It's really helpful to me.

My email is yuwenjie2002@msn.com

thank you


Originally posted by Amrit Agarwal

Kevin,

To solve your problem you should read my article "Design Guide for Dust Collectors" published in Chemical Engineering in April 2005. This article will be a great help to you in understanding the reasons for poor dust collector performance.

Regards,

Amrit T. Agarwal

Consulting Engineer

Pneumatic Conveying Consulting

Email: polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax: 304 346 5125

Thanks

Posted on 18. Mar. 2006 - 01:26

Dear Amrit

thank you , i think your article will useful to make dust collector troubleshooting.

best regards

Pneumatic Conveying Dust Collection Problem

Posted on 18. Mar. 2006 - 02:29

kevinjcg

When you say "not suitable", do you mean that the the dust collection system airflow is reduced because the bagfilter is not cleaning properly?

What is the pressure differential across the filter bags?

What is the time interval between successive pulses? If it is too short (less than 10 to 15 sec.) the compressed air manifold may not have enough time to recover pressure between pulses and poor cleaning will result.

Note that the compressed air must be free of oil and moisture.

Michael Reid.

Re: Dust Cleanling Problem

Posted on 18. Mar. 2006 - 10:13

dear kevinjcg

From your info I calculated the following:

Filter area = 3.14 * 0.15 * 2 * 96 = 90 m2

Blower volume = 10000/60 = 166.7 m3/min

This gives a filterload of 166.7/90 = 1.84 m/min

Whether this filterload is to high, has to be checked with the experience of the filter supplier or (even better) with the experience of other forum members.

If carbon black is very light and sticky to the filter material (f.i. electro statically),

the filter load should be lower or another filtermaterial should be applied.

pulse valve diameter should be checked with the supplier.

( 1” membrane valve with a 1”blow pipe seems OK for 6 bags.

(bores in pipes approx. 4 – 5 mm)

Too fierce pulsing can destroy the carbon black agglomerations, which are shaken off the

filter bag, into dust again.

This dust will not fall against the air flow in to the hopper and will stay between the filters.

(Filter is holding the dust)

Also the upward air velocity between the filter bags at the bottom is very important.

This velocity must be below the suspension velocity of the carbon black particles.

In case the cleaning pulse is failing (not strong enough), this should be noticed

by the excessive contamination of the lower part of the filter bags.

success

Teus

Re: Dust Cleanling Problem

Posted on 19. Mar. 2006 - 03:45

so it is difficult to make dust collector cleaning efficently

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Re: Dust Cleanling Problem

Posted on 19. Mar. 2006 - 04:21

!!

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Re: Dust Cleanling Problem

Posted on 20. Mar. 2006 - 01:01

thanks for your reply

to Michael Reid

of course, it is not cleaning properly , so it is difficult to make the dust collector volume small together with cleaning efficiently.

to Teus Tuinenburg

i think it is so difficult to removal the carbon black dust , because carbon is fine and sticky, that is why i can not calculate the airflow of blower , and i also dont konw the diameter of pulse valve, because different researchers have different ideas about theory of pulsejet , another disputes is venturi , some people said it is very important , others said contrary ,

thanks

best regards

Re: Dust Cleanling Problem

Posted on 20. Mar. 2006 - 07:18

dear kevinjcg,

The filters I worked with. always worked well, whether with or without venturies.

As long as the filter loading in m/min was OK for the product and the airflow.

Checking with manufacturers and colleagues that operate filters for carbon black is the best way to go in this case.

success

Teus

Thanks

Posted on 21. Mar. 2006 - 01:09

Dear Teus

thanks for your reply, i will check it ,

best regards