Re: Idler Spacing
Hi Gareth,
We can take a simple method, but we have to know the belt width and material weight that will be conveyed (depending on the density) first.
You can have a look at CEMA for the "suggested spacing".
Regards,
Endri ■
Re: Idler Spacing
Which version of CEMA are you talking about ■
Re: Idler Spacing
Density 2.2t/m^3
Belt Widths
2.8m
2.4m
2m
1.8m
1.5m
1.2m ■
Re: Idler Spacing
Dear Gareth,
Please have a look at Belt Conveyors for Bulk Material, Chapter 5, Conveyor Idler, Idler Spacing.
Regards,
Endri ■
Re: Idler Spacing
Endri,
Please give name of author(s), name of publisher, year of publication etc.
Thanks.
Administrator ■
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Found it
Never noticed that in there before
You are talking about version 5
There is now a version 6 of the book which is quite different ■
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Dear Administrator,
Title: Belt Conveyors for Bulk Materials Sixth Edition
Published by: the Conveyor Equipment Manufacturers Association
Year: 2005.
Regards,
Endri ■
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Does version 6 go larger than 96inches ■
Re: Idler Spacing
Tunra (and others in the form of papers) have published some "generalised" relationships.
Regards,
Lyle ■
Re: Idler Spacing
Lyle,
Bit late for you to be at work isn’t it.
Do you have any recollection of where when you saw this paper? ■
Re: Idler Spacing
The information I was thinking of was more belt widths / speeds cf CAPEX, not idler spacing as I indicated previously.
Tunra do have some generalisations with regards to friction factor (hence OPEX) as a function of spacing.
The also provide a generalised table, though it looks similar to that supplied by idler suppliers etc.
Optimised things can / have been done to increase idler spacing / reduce CAPEX and OPEX by others:
http://www.saimh.co.za/beltcon/beltcon12/paper1206.htm
Maybe have a look at this also:
http://www.saimh.co.za/beltcon/beltcon1/paper11.html
Regards,
Lyle ■
Re: Idler Spacing
Paper 2 tells a practising conveyor designer nowt of any use. Paper 1 is absolutely right in the critique of the Standards available and the respected author has published much & often with regard to modernisation of the business. Unfortunately there is no incentive to rewrite the existing Standards to incorporate the latest developments.
I personally think that the existing Standards were ill founded, unsubstantiated by test results and thrown together by a set of camel/horse committees in the days when if you sounded clever enough then you must be. Although I'm no spring chicken I long for a realistic authoritive reappraisal of the Standards which we are all lumbered with in heavy engineering (eg ASME 8 does not recognise the existence of laser/vacuum/ultrasonic welding techniques even though they would produce stronger nozzles. Why? Because the QA & AI functions would have to learn something new.) Obsolete Standards are fundamental in ridiculing our work in the public eye. As long as a bridge is to Standard it doesn't necessarily have to withstand pedestrians forcing it into resonance.
So why worry about idler spacing optimisation? If you use the Standards they are obsolete and probably conflict with the manufacturers' recommendations. If you use the manufacturers' data and it goes wrong then you are out on a limb.
However you pitch the idlers they will be too close for somebody and too far apart for others. If they fail you can always blame it on poor maintenance. I'd go for midway between the Standard and the manufacturer's pitch variation if there is one.
CAPEX & OPEX considerations are irrelevant in the Northern Hemisphere where energy costs are unpredictable and the energy availablity itself is a political issue. Just make sure the idlers line up with the holes in the steelwork. ■
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I will have a significant impact on overland conveyors ■
Idler Spacing
Dear all,
Does anyone have a simple method for optimising idler spacing across a plant.
I generally pick a spacing based on experence from previous projects.
I would prefer a method that I could quantify. Common spacing I would use would be
1m carry 3m return
1.4m Carry 2.8 Retun
1.2m carry 2.4m return
I know I could do calcs on every conveyor with different idler spacings then do a capex vs power study. But I would like a simple method do get close from the beginning.
Anyone got any ideas.
Best Regards,
Gareth ■