Re: Australian Conveyor Design Companies
Originally Posted by Woodaaay
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Our goal is to develop a CAD based template containing the appropriate rules and engineering knowledge from publications along with australian standards, such that the process of designing/modelling a conveyor system is greatly reduced.
The market review is to be used to decide the most commonly used conveyors and how/where they differ so that we can proceed to the next stage in the project.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Brian Wood
Hi Brian,
This is a well hammered quest. Various people at various times have set out to partialy, or even fully, automate conveyor design. It is a pointless exercise & I have been a direct witness to the wastage of countless centuries of expensive but not so skilled man hours while trying to acheive a reduction in man hours.
There is sod all to designing a conveyor once you know what you're doing and where it has to connect. That is the nub. If you could standardise on plant layouts then there might be a chance for automated conveyor design.
If you automated conveyor design you would reduce the need for these forums & deprive the major contributors of the opportunities to provide assistance beyong the pale of standards. ■
Re: Australian Conveyor Design Companies
Louis,
Thank you for your expressed concern regarding my current project. Regardless, this is the project i have been given and thus it is not up to me to say that it is a pointless exercise. Youd be surprised what can be achieved using Dassaults PLM range of software.
I am aware that many companies have tried and alot have suceeded in creating mathematical based conveyor design software such as "mconveyor", "winbelt", "beltcomp" and the list goes on. However, the majority of these deal simply with the operational parameters required to run a conveyer given certain numerical inputs regading pulley sizing, applied power etc.
This project is not aimed at reducing the need for these forums as it is impossible to create an application that significant. My aim is to reduce the time taken in the initial design phase where the majority of the tasks have been repeated in other projects. Imagine you had created and modeled a conveyor system with multiple power inputs, throw in some horizontal curves etc, and you had just recieved another similar project. Wouldnt you like to be able to use a flexible template with which you could experiment with to achieve the new goals, whilst at all times obeying the published rules and laws regarding mechanical design and australian standards? Wouldnt you like to be able to select from a range of different idler types and styles, modular sections and components?
I know I would.
Regards,
Brian Wood ■
Re: Australian Conveyor Design Companies
Brian,
I am not sure what type of input or information you require but we have the Helix delta-T conveyor design software and also a DEM Chute design program which is widely used in Australia and many other countries. Please have a look at our website
www.helixtech.com.au
for more information or email me directly, our email address can be found on the website.
Regards ■
Re: Australian Conveyor Design Companies
Hi Brian,
You might now be in with a chance since you know what you're trying to do and have set reasonable goals. My earlier comment was intended to dispel the notion that conveyor design can be severely automated. I have seen, like you must have seen, some autocratic lead designers wasting time having standard conveyor sections and stringer lengths transferred onto their current client's drawing sheets. etc etc. It's one of the reasons conveyors are so expensive.
If I ever had to design a conveyor again I would cut up an existing .dwg file and extract the stringer section, take ups and drive units as saved blocks. If you then lay your own belt line on a separate layer you can mate the belt lines at will. On vertical curves you will have to do like we did in the old days and develop intersection points for the segements (not too hard in the 1970's so pretty straightforward nowadays).
I wouldn't be surprised by Dassault software. I've been using Catia and SolidWorks since the late 90's.
Plonking rolling elements into contact with long belts is not arduous of itself. The supporting structural design work is what gobbles up the budget. Often as not I have seen gussets detailed before the belt line has been finalised. This was sadly evident recently in Perth where there was a supposed shortage of draughtsmen/supposed designers even. Honestly, if you control the draughtsmen accurately the detailing cost can be postponed to improve your cash flow. Conveyor engineers seem unwilling to differentiate between mechanical design and structural detailing. They are separate disciplines and should remain so. eg you are given a fully detailed 25m gantry drawing to approve several weeks before you are presented with the truss deflection calculations.
Relax in the knowledge that your assignment is typical with the onset of recession. As I recall it the wording used to be "Lets get really streamlined so we can reap the rewards when things get better." When they do get better all is forgotten in the rush to cock it all up again, just like last time. ■
Re: Australian Conveyor Design Companies
Hi Brian,
Back to your original question: some of Australian companies doing conveyor design. Try looking for SKM, Fluor, Calibre, Minproc, GHD, Ausenco, Maunsel, Hatch, Bateman Engineering, Worley Parsons, Parsons Brinkerhof...
I am not sure if you are going to find someone willing to take part in your survey. Peter from Helixtech probably has a good understanding of Ozi standards, but that would come with the price. Also, you seem to be in competition.
Regards, Zlatni ■
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Re: Australian Conveyor Design Companies
Originally Posted by ZlatniBack to your original question: some of Australian companies doing conveyor design. Try looking for SKM, Fluor, Calibre, Minproc, GHD, Ausenco, Maunsel, Hatch, Bateman Engineering, Worley Parsons, Parsons Brinkerhof...
I am not sure if you are going to find someone willing to take part in your survey. Peter from Helixtech probably has a good understanding of Ozi standards, but that would come with the price. Also, you seem to be in competition.
Regards, Zlatni
Fluor & Hatch know what it's about.
Say no more, say no more. ■
Australian Conveyor Design Companies
Hey guys,
I am currently undertaking a preliminary market review regarding bulk material (in particular mining) conveyor design within Australia. For this reason, i would like to know if anyone could suggest any companies within Australia and New Zealand actively participating in conveyor design and/or manufacture applied to mining.
I have about a dozen companies directly related to the mining sector and another dozen which service the inustry but are either only on a small scale or use specialised conveyor systems.
Our goal is to develop a CAD based template containing the appropriate rules and engineering knowledge from publications along with australian standards, such that the process of designing/modelling a conveyor system is greatly reduced.
The market review is to be used to decide the most commonly used conveyors and how/where they differ so that we can proceed to the next stage in the project.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Brian Wood ■