How to Dry SALP?

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Posted in: , on 29. Apr. 2005 - 16:54

Dear Sir.

We have problems in drying a product called SALP - Sodium Aluminum Phosphate in our plant. Can you help us with this? We need to know details about the type of dryer which can be used to process this product .

Waiting your answer .

Best regards

Jorge

Aksell Quimica

http://www.aksell.com.br

jorge @aksell.com.br

rozer
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Drying Salp

Erstellt am 29. Apr. 2005 - 04:04

To help, we need more information about the nature of your problem such as sticking in the dryer, cannot fully dry the product, etc

We also need to know

Feed material, filter cake or slurry, solids concentration? thixotropic. are there lumps in the feed material?

Finished Product, desired product moisture and particle size

I look forward to hearing from you

Richard Ozer

Crown Iron Works

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Drying Salp

Erstellt am 29. Apr. 2005 - 04:25

Dear Sir:

We can most likely dry the SALP in one of our continuous Thin Film Dryers.

We assume that you would be evaporating water at atmospheric pressure using steam heat at about 10 atmospheres (180°C).

We would need to know more details about the process such as:

Feed wetness (%water)

Powder dryness required ( % water, PPM etc)

Flow rate

Scope of supply required

Batch or continuous - if batch then size and time of each batch

Value of final product. Rotating equipment is more expensive to buy than say spray driers therefore the product value must justify the higher installed cost. If you give us the required duty information (rates, moisture etc) we can give you a ballpark estimate for a quick evaluation.

Jim Pauley

LCI Corporation

704-398-7882

PS:

The Combi:

This is two thin film dryers in series. The first is vertical and designed to take thin slurries or solutions and dry to a free flowing wet or damp powder. It can boil up about 100 kg/hr of water or alcohols per sq. meter of heated surface and about 200 kg/hr of organics per sq. meter. The vertical dryer is followed by a horizontal dryer that can finish the drying (down to PPM levels if required) and / or cool the powder for discharge. This system

can be run under vacuum or at atmospheric pressure. The Combi is always run as a continuous operation.

The Rovactor is similar to a paddle dryer but is truely a DISH dryer the machine can be run under vacuum or pressure. It can be batch or continuous.

The rotor and body are heated with most of the heated area in the wedge shaped rotor disks. The body is a U shaped trough with cleaning pins extending from the top cover down between the disks for cleaning.

The Reactotherm is similar to the Rovactor but has hooks that clean the rotor completely. The heated body is round. The machine can handle extremly difficult applications with fouling, phase changes, viscosities etc.

Warren Fuller
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Re: How To Dry Salp?

Erstellt am 29. Apr. 2005 - 05:48

Jorge -

As you are hearing from others, the selection of an appropriate dryer requires more information on your process -- what moisture is being dried (water, solvent?) and how wet is the SALP? What are the material's flow characteristics when wet? Are you interested in batch or continuous operations? How much SALP are you processing? What temperature constraints do you have with SALP?

In our case, we specialize in vacuum drying processes but you may be able to use a less expensive approach. What are you using now and what are the difficulties you are experiencing? Even if our products are not right for your application we can certainly recommend a quality supplier based on our longstanding experience in process equipment industry for almost 100 years.

Warren Fuller

PAUL O. ABBE

973 256-4243

Re: How To Dry Salp?

Erstellt am 30. Apr. 2005 - 03:05

1, is SALP NaAl3H14(PO4)8?H2O?

2, to remove chemical-bound water?

If so, you can use fluid bed dryer to remove chemical-bound water. We used fluid bed dryer to remove chemical-bound ware for the following products:

FeSO4.2H2O

ZnSO4.4H2O

MgSO4.7H2O

ZnSO4.4H2O

CuSO4.H2O

MnSO4.H2O

MgCl2.2H2O

AlKSO4.12H2O

Long Huang

dryruntech@yahoo.ca

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How To Dry Salp?

Erstellt am 30. Apr. 2005 - 08:58

We are an organisation providing Process Engineering Technology and we specialise in the unit operations of Mixing and Drying.

If we are not mistaken, the above product can be effectively dryed in a Rotating Tray Dryer on a continuous bases.

We can make an offer if we have the following basic data:

1. Physical Charecteristics before and after drying.

2. Bulk density before and after drying

3. Moisture content on wet basis before and after drying.

4. Material of construction of contact parts.

Your communication be return mail will be appreciated in case you wish to have an offer.

Regards,

Swaminathan

swaminathan45@rediffmail.com

Pierre Labourt-Ibarre, France
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Re: How To Dry Salp?

Erstellt am 2. May. 2005 - 10:07

Dear Jorge,

yes as already posted, one needs to know

what is upstream of the drying operation

the characteristics of the feed,

the same for the producand its end use values

along with the mass flow rate and the conditioning you plan.

one needs to know the process as a whole.

Best Regards,

Pierre

Drying Of Salp

Erstellt am 2. May. 2005 - 10:48

Atritor Ltd have installed Dryer-Pulveriser machines for similar materials where the process demanded a controlled particle size powder form of the dry product.

Please tell us more about the application:

1) Moisture content and consistency of the feed?

2) Moisture content and condition of the required product?

3) Particle size in the wet form?

4) Particle size in the dry form?

These - 3) & 4) should be expressed in micron size where 98% of the particles are below - d98 - and the average particle size - d50.

Or other available points on the Particle Size Distribution curve.

5) Capacity of the required plant? dry product out.

It would also be interesting to have more background on the project please.

Information can be sent for the attention of George Milburn, Sales Director, Atritor Ltd - gmilburn@atritor.com

Tel: +44 2476 703117 - direct.

Re: How To Dry Salp?

Erstellt am 3. May. 2005 - 03:42

To: Aksell Quimica

Attention: Jorge

Dear Jorge:

We received with interest your inquiry concerning the drying of a product called SALP. We are not sure but think that our Rotordryer may be a good possible candidate. Please send us your direct email address so that we can provide you with our information package.

Very truly yours,

Ronald C. Miller

President

International Process Equipment Company

856-665-4007

email: Rotormill@aol.com

www.Rotormill.com

Re: How To Dry Salp?

Erstellt am 3. May. 2005 - 11:22

SALP is NaAl3H14(PO4)8 .4H20, which is made from NaAl3H14(PO4).10 H2O . So it needs to remove 6H20. The best way to remove chemical-bound water is fluid bed dryer.

The wet materials have to reach its melt points in order to remove its chemical-bound water. Above belt point, it becomes liquor, so it is impossible to use belt dryer, flash dryer, rotary dryer, paddle dryer, vacuum dryer, etc. One method to remove chemical-bound water is to use spray dryer, that is to heat up wet materials above melt point, so liquor can be dried in spray dryer. Another way is to dry it in fluid bed dryer. Of course, this kind of materials can also be put onto tray and dried in drying chamber.

In conventional fluid bed dryer, it can only dry granular materials, which size is between 0.3 to 5 mm in diameter. it is impossible to keep its fluidizing state when it is used to remove chemical-bound water, for wet materials become into liquor and agglomerate. So some improvement have to made, such as feeding method, fluidizing velocity, the height of fluidization, etc.

We have its experience in removing chemical-bound water for many kinds of inorganic salts.