Steel Idler vs. Plastic/Nylon/Poly/HDPE Idler

Posted in: , on 12. Jul. 2012 - 04:34

Steel Idler Roll Vs. Plastic/Nylon/Poly/HDPE Idler Rollers



I am interested in the advantages and disadvantages of the poly/nylon/HDPE idler rollers compared to the conventional steel rollers. Is anyone able to tell me if there is anything fundamentally wrong with the plastic rollers? I am seeing these more frequently used in belt weigh stations however, no where else on the conveyor. Why is this the case?

Some background:

I work in the coal mining industry of Queensland, Australia. The company I work for specialises in Conveyor Maintenance and Engineering solutions in for the Mines of the Bowen Basin, near Mackay.

It seems like these plastic idler rollers are not favoured by the mines in this region, where steel shelled rollers are dominant. The only sites which contain high quantities of these plastic rollers are the coal shipping ports of Gladstone, Hay Point etc...

Is anyone able to shed some light on why the plastic idlers do not have more dominance in the market? They are lighter and more resistant to corrosion. Without knowing too much about them, they seem like they can take the loads that these conveyors are subjected to (4000-5000tph @ around 4.5m/s).

Regards,

R. Norris

Mechanical Engineer

Mackay, Queensland, Australia

Lyle Brown
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Re: Steel Idler Vs. Plastic/Nylon/Poly/Hdpe Idler

Posted on 12. Jul. 2012 - 11:57

Depends on the application.

Are these Aluminum idlers with "plastic" end discs or "complete" plastic idlers.

I ask as one of the ports you mentioned use to have the former arrangement.

Could it be the belt weighers are new (and hence have the "latest" product)?

I am aware of limited installations with "complete" plastic idlers.

Regards,

Lyle

Re: Steel Idler Vs. Plastic/Nylon/Poly/Hdpe Idler

Posted on 13. Jul. 2012 - 03:16
Quote Originally Posted by Lyle BrownView Post
Depends on the application.

Are these Aluminum idlers with "plastic" end discs or "complete" plastic idlers.

I ask as one of the ports you mentioned use to have the former arrangement.

Could it be the belt weighers are new (and hence have the "latest" product)?

I am aware of limited installations with "complete" plastic idlers.

Regards,

Lyle

I am interested in the "complete" plastic idlers.

Just attempting to inform myself on their benefits/down-sides. What are their fire risks? Do they degrade in the sun?

Now that you mention it, the latest weighers that have these plastic idlers fitted, seem as if they were relatively new. Are you able to list these installations which are fitted with only plastic idlers?

Ryan

Lyle Brown
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Re: Steel Idler Vs. Plastic/Nylon/Poly/Hdpe Idler

Posted on 14. Jul. 2012 - 10:02

Understand fire resistant designs are available (not sure of the specifics - to a standard etc).

This was my first concern when I heard about using them (as they were being used underground - seemed like a fire / it's by products, safety risk).

I cannot identify the site as it is not public domain information.

Regards,

Lyle

Plastic Vs. Steel Idler Roller

Posted on 14. Jul. 2012 - 06:41

We are designing a 27 km OLC in Africa. The client specifies that all idler rollers to be plastic coated or all plastic. There are three providers of the rolls in Africa. The client has a preference and has been using them exclusively for more than one year.

There are a number of advantages:

1. Lighter thereby aiding maintenance

2. Lowere power by reducing interface friction (rubber squirm) between belt and roller

3. Lowers noise

4. Improves eccentricity tolerance to < 0.5 TIR

5. Improves corrosion resistance

We are hoping to trial a number of designs to quantify the rolling resistance loss on point 2.

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450

Re: Steel Idler Vs. Plastic/Nylon/Poly/Hdpe Idler

Posted on 15. Jul. 2012 - 09:48

Thank you Mr. Nordell for those points of advantage. Are there any factors involved with the use of these idler rollers that required you to either reach a compromise, e.g. sacrifice durability for the reduced interference friction/maintenance friendly weight?

Are you using the plastic coated idler rollers or the completely plastic rollers? and why?

Ryan

Re: Steel Idler Vs. Plastic/Nylon/Poly/Hdpe Idler

Posted on 16. Jul. 2012 - 09:04
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Thank you Mr. Nordell for those points of advantage. Are there any factors involved with the use of these idler rollers that required you to either reach a compromise, e.g. sacrifice durability for the reduced interference friction/maintenance friendly weight?

Are you using the plastic coated idler rollers or the completely plastic rollers? and why?

Ryan

Ryan,

The photo below was a HDPE roller on a coal conveyor. There could be many reasons for the roller as seen in this condition (wrong application, wrong materials etc etc) but its something you should be aware of.

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Paul Attiwell
Lyle Brown
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Re: Steel Idler Vs. Plastic/Nylon/Poly/Hdpe Idler

Posted on 16. Jul. 2012 - 12:24
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Ryan,

The photo below was a HDPE roller on a coal conveyor. There could be many reasons for the roller as seen in this condition (wrong application, wrong materials etc etc) but its something you should be aware of.

jimway shell wear running nz steel

Agree, I have seen similar on 100's (if not 1000's) of steel idlers..

Regards,

Lyle

Re: Steel Idler Vs. Plastic/Nylon/Poly/Hdpe Idler

Posted on 19. Jul. 2012 - 03:39

Thank you all for your input,

I guess my next question is - What sort of market share do the 'completely' plastic idler roller have worldwide and just in Australia? Are these figures available?

Re: Steel Idler Vs. Plastic/Nylon/Poly/Hdpe Idler

Posted on 24. Jul. 2012 - 02:18

Also,

What information feedback does anyone have regarding the MEGA-ROLLER and the EU-ROLLER?

Plastic Conveyor Rollers Approved For Underground Coal Mining U…

Posted on 1. Aug. 2012 - 01:04

My next question is:

Are there any plastic roller brands that are approved for underground Coal Mining?

Mega Roller / Eu-Roller

Posted on 3. Aug. 2012 - 06:12

I am distributing the EU-Rollers mainly in Scandinavia and to my understanding Mega-Roller was developed by the same person, Gyula Romana, who now runs the EU-Roller factory in Hungary.

Based on the discussion with various customers in Scandinavia the plastic rollers, like on the photos earlier on this thread, are kind of lighter duty solutions.

There is no steel pipe inside to carry the loads and often recycled material is used, which makes it hard to predict the performance of the HDPE sleeve. This has partially contributed to the not always so good image of the "plastic" rollers

Also on some of the arrangements the end-cap design allows water to penetrate between the face and cap. In winter the freezing water expands and pops the caps out.

The Supreme roller from Rulmeca for example is already a more developed solution also with a steel pipe. There the bearing housing arrangement is a bit different and the rear sealing is still missing and the sealing is a typical labyrinth sealing in comparison to the 4xlip of the EU-Rollers.

The sleeve thicknesses are certainly also an issue. Some of the rollers are coated of have a thin HDPE layer. On the EU-Rollers the sleeve thickness are from the 14mm of the 127mm dia rollers to 27mm on the 194mm dia rollers. As a mechanical engineer plastic and cold conditions are always causing some headache, but I have tested them at -30C with a sledge hammer and nothing happens, so that is not an issue...except that the impact resistance seems to be a very good.

So far I have not found an ATEX classified roller and the fire resistance is often a problem, but I think that will be solved after a while still.

For more information on the EU-Rollers, please check www.eu-roller.com, www.eu-rollerapi.com or drop me an email at info@sysi.fi

Regards,

Petteri

Re: Steel Idler Vs. Plastic/Nylon/Poly/Hdpe Idler

Posted on 6. Aug. 2012 - 01:03

Thank you for this information. Please refer to the message that I sent you.

In Australia the harsh cold conditions are not present. So the application of these rollers in the mining industry here may be easier?

greglync
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Hdpe Idler Rollers In Au

Posted on 14. Aug. 2012 - 06:15

G'day Ryan,

We currently offer HDPE idler rolls into the AU market and are looking to perform tests in order to achieve FRAS approvals. Our initial testing is been done off shore and once we are confident in the results we will entertain testing in AU.

Our longer rollers (eg. flat returns900mm BW and wider) do have a steel inner tube to ensure limited tube deflection.

If you do have questions on the product, including the two brands that you mentioned early on in your thread, please contact me directly.

In closing, one of the other respondents mentioned GYULA ROMAN, and was correct in that Gyula was involved with "design" of one if not both of the brands mentioned. I had the pleasure of meeting with Gyula many years back when he was manufacturing one of the brands. He was certainly instrumental in generating a great deal of interest in the poly roller option over steel in many industries.