Pipe Conveyor vs Pneumatic Conveyor

Posted in: , on 2. Jun. 2004 - 14:11

Does anyone have any case study comparing the capital cost AND operating cost (power !!) of a pipe conveyor system vs a pneumatic conveyor system, handling parameters being the same ?

I would appreciate actual case references with quantified comparisons.

Thanks

Re: Pipe Conveyor Vs Pneumatic Conveyor

Posted on 12. Jun. 2004 - 05:25

We are also trying to change over from pipe conveyor concept to pneumatic conveying. We would like to know the operating cost benefit between two.

Thanks

[COLOR="Orange"][B][FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="4"]Jigishu Shah[/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/COLOR]

Re: Pipe Conveyor Vs Pneumatic Conveyor

Posted on 12. Jun. 2004 - 08:55

This will vary with each installation and must be verified by a study. The pipe conveyor will generally have a higher initial cost but will have substantially lower horsepower.

Remember the maintenance costs for a pipe conveyor will be higher then a convential conveyor. Also you will need a partial or complete spare belt since the belt is special and not available on short notice (usually 6 months). Pipe conveyors also can turnover and spill product.

If you are looking for an enclosed system without horizontal curves consider The Hendrik Group's HoverGlide or Imperial Technologies' Multifold. You can also combine these two technologies.

You can view both these systems including pipe conveyors from my website www.loefflerengineering.com

I will only recommend pipe conveyors when conventional products are not the best economical solution taking into account inital, operating and maintenance costs. As a rule of thumb, if you cannot eliminate two transfers or you require a special curved route do to plant layout, use a convential system.

Loeffler Engineering Group

Re: Pipe Conveyor Vs Pneumatic Conveyor

Posted on 23. Jun. 2004 - 10:45

Good morning everyone!

I work in a well known germany company called KOCH which builds normal conveyors and pipe conveyor. To correct what the last person said I can just tell to everybody that the pipe conveyor technologie works very well for a reasonable price. For more informations you can take a look on the followind site: www.kochtrans.com

My oppinion is that whan you go to our site you can built your own oppinion about pipe conveyors from Koch.

Thank you very much for your attention!

Bye

Re: Pipe Conveyor Vs Pneumatic Conveyor

Posted on 15. Jul. 2004 - 06:36

This (pipe conveyor) seems to be a interesting subject, but new to me.

Can you kindly tell me, what are the specialities of the fabric used in a pipe conveyor compared to that used in a conventional conveyor?

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Pipe Conveyors

Posted on 21. Jul. 2004 - 09:50

The pipe conveyor is marginally more to install than a pneumatic system, but reaches much further without dropoff of delivery or the need for boosters. The most important aspect of pneumatics conveying (lean phase or dense phase) is the problems which occurs with system shutdowns. I found this out using pneumatic systems on cement. When the system is stopped there is usually product left in the conveying pipe. The power requirement needed to blow against this head is often very high and dust is a an inevitable byproduct. For a pneumatic system to function there need to be a pressure reducer at the receiving end of the pneumatic line, a feature not required in a pipe conveyor. If dust is a consideration then pneumatic systems often end up costing more thn pipe conveyors.

Pipe Conveyor

Posted on 2. Aug. 2004 - 08:36

Dear mr. Kayem & Mr. Shah,

Enough discussion for the pipe conveyor has been made. You can select the system as per your need. Pipe conveyor can transport materials safely, with less power, with least dusting, and static charges compared to pnumatic conveying. Its also suitable for abressive materials. But cant take sharp turns as compared to pnumatic systems. Depending on your requirements of handling and lay-out you can choose.

you can mail us your data at fairtech@indiatimes.com



we are manufactures of various belt conveing systems including pipe conveyors.

Regards,

ketan

Fairtech Engineering Co.

Re: Pipe Conveyor Vs Pneumatic Conveyor

Posted on 3. Aug. 2004 - 06:45

A word of caution on pipe conveyors. Many brag about their ability to control spillage. Do any in this forum have experience with pipe conveyor spillage?

I have knowledge, pictures and first hand experience with return strand pipe conveyor spillage, when the seam is on the bottom. The spillages are from reputable and well known suppliers on multiple installations. The problems persist to this day. Most clients are not informed and/or are not allowed to visit these sites when a tour is made.

It is not a common event. However, we should be ever cautious in accepting, at face value, generalized claims. I do not wish to bash the suppliers and will thus keep their misfortunes unpublized.

I do endorse the use of pipe conveyors and believe they are becoming more cost effective as the physics are better understood. Still some suppliers are willing to gamble on the unknowns, which is not in the best interest of our industry.

Pipe conveyor technology will be severly tested in the near future with a stretch in their state-of-the art. A supplier will have a big technical hurdle to surmount unless the client lowers the design criteria. Let us hope it will not fail.

Lawrence Nordell

ww.conveyor-dynamics.com

Lawrence Nordell Conveyor Dynamics, Inc. website, email & phone contacts: www.conveyor-dynamics.com nordell@conveyor-dynamics.com phone: USA 360-671-2200 fax: USA 360-671-8450

Pipe Conveyor Spillage

Posted on 13. Aug. 2004 - 02:40

Dear friends

pipe conveyors work well.

Some 1o years ago one was installed in Monterrey to feed iron ore to an integrated steel mill, I followed it for 5 years and to my knoledge it still is working well, no spillage.

With heavy, large , dusty and abrasive materials in urban environments and where you want to keep your particle size as large as possible this would be my choice.

return run spillage under wet conditions must be addressed in the design.

If particle size is not relevant , and capacity is small , then you can use pneumatic conveying.

Regards

TECMEN Consultant in: Sponge Iron (DRI) handling Sponge Iron DRI Automated Storage Firefighting and Root Cause Analysis Pneumatic Conveying Consultants Phone 5281 8300 4456.

Re: Pipe Conveyor Vs Pneumatic Conveyor

Posted on 13. Aug. 2004 - 03:35

Hello Kayem,

Unfortunately I can not give you quantitative comparisons between pipe and pneumatic systems - so much depends on the material being conveyed and the throughput (tonnage per hour).

However, pipe conveyors tend to be more cost effective when the operating costs are factored in, for high volume transportation.

I agree that pipe conveyors, or any other enclosed belt system, can leak and cause clean-up costs and lost material costs. However, this normally happens when the system is being used to transport more material than originally specified.

If you require specific information for a proposed system, you can obtain iit from the suppliers of both options.

Regards,

Dave Miller ADM Consulting 10668 Newbury Ave., N.W., Uniontown, Ohio 44685 USA Tel: 001 330 265 5881 FAX: 001 330 494 1704 E-mail: admconsulting@cs.com