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Re: Level Indicator For Esp Ash Hopper

Erstellt am 9. Jul. 2008 - 07:57

Dear shrill,

please give more details of your installation.

Regards

Administrator

Re: Level Indicator For Esp Ash Hopper

Erstellt am 9. Jul. 2008 - 08:14

We have 2 Coal Fired Generating Units of 70 MW capacity each, 2 pass for each boiler with each pass having 5 ESP Fields and in total 20 Hoppers for a Unit. We use Indian Coal of 42% Ash and our conveying system is dense phase conveying that ultimately transports the ash to ASh Silos from where ash is unloaded by Vacuum unloading system on to sealed container trucks for final disposal.

We have tried out different types of level probes for our ESP Hoppers, which includes Tuning fork types, rotating impellers, etc but none have succeded. As a consequence the conveying system operates on TIMER mode, with precious wastage of Compressed Air.

Level Indicator For Esp Ash Hopper

Erstellt am 10. Jul. 2008 - 07:34

Dear Shriil

I have sent you a private message.

The Siemens Sitrans LR460 will and does work in this application.

www.siemens.com/lr460

Regards

Mike T.

Re: Level Indicator For Esp Ash Hopper

Erstellt am 11. Jul. 2008 - 02:52

please le me have details of a drawing of the tanks to start with

andy c

Re: Level Indicator For Esp Ash Hopper

Erstellt am 11. Jul. 2008 - 10:44

Dear Shrill,

Rather than using level indicator, you can try using Hardy Loadcells and controllers. This will sort out the problems. You can visit www.hardyinstruments.com for more details.

Regards,

Vivek Joshi

India.

Re: Level Indicator For Esp Ash Hopper

Erstellt am 11. Jul. 2008 - 06:09

Shrill

I'm not sure I fully understand your application.

I understand that you are wasting air.

But is the object to switch off the blower when the hopper is full or to remove the ash.

or to switch the blower on at low level to fill the hopper

or a combination of the above

In the past we have fitted probes which detects the interface between the air/ash mixture and ash.

This can be repeated for Air/Cement or even oil/water

We have fitted probes on various applications in Coal; fired power stations and ash handling cement handling etc

If you would like to take the application further then please get in touch via the thread or directly by email

Regards

Hawker Electronics

Re: Level Indicator For Esp Ash Hopper

Erstellt am 11. Jul. 2008 - 07:37

Hi Michael

Thanks for the link. At present unable to open the private message owing to website problem.

Hi John

I am discussing about working level probes in our ESP Ash Hoppers. The original design was that as the ash builds up in the hoppers to a certain level, the hopper downspout opens and the ash falls by gravity into a conveying vessel from where it is transported through connecting pipelines to an ash storage silo. The conveying of the ash is through pressurised dense phase system having a conveying air pressure of 6 Kg/sq cm, delivered by 2 two-stage air compressors. As the level probes do not work, the conveying cycle functions on a "timer" mode, which means useless consumption of conveying air, even when the hoppers are near to empty. Thus the compressors do not get unloaded most of the time.

Re: Level Indicator For Esp Ash Hopper

Erstellt am 14. Jul. 2008 - 09:26

Hello Shriil

If you send me an e-mail I will put you in touch with our people in Siemens Kalwa office. They have considerable experience measuring levels on these types of applications all over India and can offer suggestions and advice as required.

Regards

mike.tallevi@siemens.com

Mike T.

Re: Level Indicator For Esp Ash Hopper

Erstellt am 16. Jul. 2008 - 02:24

Hi Shrill,

We have an excellent solution from Princo instruments USA. Pl. send in your requirement at akash@hitech.in or call 91-674-3256465 for more details.

Re: Level Indicator For Esp Ash Hopper

Erstellt am 18. Jul. 2008 - 12:08

Dear Mr. Joshi

Thanks for the link for Hardy Instruments. But I did not find any information on Level Probes

Hi Mike

Thanks for the info. I shall be discussing the items with my department and shall get back to you ASAP

regards

Shriil

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Cls2 An Excellent Solution For Your Typical Problem

Erstellt am 23. Jul. 2008 - 03:31

Please contact me for more details I can send you the details of this product with exact solution from Dwyer Instruments' CLS2 and similar application pictures.

Regards

Sarfraz

sarfraz@almontazar.com

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Some Pictures About The Use Of Cl2 Suitable For Your Application

Erstellt am 23. Jul. 2008 - 03:37

Please see the picture

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Another Picture Of Cls2 In Operation

Erstellt am 23. Jul. 2008 - 03:44

Dear Shrill

Please see another picture of CLS2 in opeation

Regards

Sarfraz

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Fly Ash Probes From Princo

Erstellt am 23. Jul. 2008 - 04:07

Dear Shril,

Please visit www.princoinstruments.com for flyash probe details. We are only company Worldwide extending 5 years warranty on flyash probes.

Please write to us with your specific requirement or trial.

Regards

Akash

Level Indicator For Esp Ash Hopper

Erstellt am 24. Jul. 2008 - 05:21

Although I have used many types of level sensors in my 'plant life' (I always found the simple rotary type to be the best) - I do know from my current Primasonics Acoustic Cleaner 'life' that installing the correctly sized acoustic cleaners either/both on top of the silo and/or just above the low level probe can ensure two things.

Firstly the sound waves help greatly to keep the level indicators clean. Secondly the sound waves tend to level horizontally, the material stored in the silo, thus preventing peaks. We have many examples operating in fly ash silos in India and if you would like further details or client contacts in India, just drop me an e-mail.

Regards

Donald

don@primasonics.com

www.primasonics.com

Re: Level Indicator For Esp Ash Hopper

Erstellt am 28. Jul. 2008 - 08:37

Originally posted by Michael5353

Dear Shriil

I have sent you a private message.

The Siemens Sitrans LR460 will and does work in this application.

www.siemens.com/lr460

Regards

Dear Mike

The lr460 seems to be a top mounted level transmitter. What we require is a horizontal side mounted level probe. Any suggestions?

shriil

Re: Fly Ash Probes From Princo

Erstellt am 28. Jul. 2008 - 08:41

Originally posted by akashdas

Dear Shril,

Please visit www.princoinstruments.com for flyash probe details. We are only company Worldwide extending 5 years warranty on flyash probes.

Please write to us with your specific requirement or trial.

Regards

Akash

Browsed your website. Would be helpful if you could give me specific details of which type of probes that have been used for fly ash level sensing in ESP Hoppers

shriil

Acoustic Cleaning

Erstellt am 28. Jul. 2008 - 08:46

Dear Donald

Thanks for the valuable input. Shall look into it

shriil

Re: Level Indicator For Esp Ash Hopper

Erstellt am 28. Jul. 2008 - 08:48

Hello Shriil

I assumed you wanted continuous level measurement. If you want point level, we can suggest the LPS, good to 350C (general purpose models).

The whole point level product line is displayed at https://pia.khe.siemens.com/index.aspx?nr=4918

As I said, if you e-mail me I'll send you the name of an experienced contact in India.

mike.tallevi@siemens.com

Regards

Mike T.
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Re: Level Indicator For Esp Ash Hopper

Erstellt am 13. Aug. 2008 - 10:15

Hello Shriil

UWT is highly experienced in measuring bulk solids, including Fly Ash. Visit our website for more information - www.uwt.eu - about our level indicators for solids and reference material. We have an agent in India who can advise you - rrathore@trinitytouch.com.

Kind regards from Bavaria

History

Erstellt am 14. Aug. 2008 - 04:41

Although my company does not make many of these devices I have a lot of experience on this application. In the huge coal fired utility binge of the 80s, almost all the utilities specified the PND gauge from Thermo Measurement in Texas. It was a gamma ray source and detector mounted to watch several hoppers in a row. But nuclear is out of favor for sevferal reasons and people tried the microwave sender receivers (Delavan, AZ) (Hawk, Australia), but mkicrowaves bounce around mounds, so this was not good. the old capacitance style probes had temperature, calibration, and build up problems. Todays units offered by many of the people who have previously replied offer digital calibration and stability, build up protection, and simplified cal procedures. The only thing to be careful is provide correct temperature requirements to the manufacture. bruce.erickson@bulkprosystems.com

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