Bridging Chute Gaps

Posted in: , on 25. May. 2007 - 11:56

Dear all

please see the attached picture.

There is a gap between the head chute and the feed chute and I am thinking of filling this gap somehow. However, the head chute has to be mobile so the gap filler needs to be flexible I guess.

I was thinking of some kind of brushes, which are easily attached. What about rubber flaps? Are there standard off the shelf products from well known manufacturers ?



thanks in advance!!

Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 25. May. 2007 - 01:44

This looks like a new installation so there are no clues in your photograph. Everything that you do on a transfer chute is dependant upon the characteristics of the material being handled and the operating conditions. e.g. what works for dry materials is no good for wet materials etc.

After giving the material handled we would also need to know:

1. Dry or wet

2. Fine or course

3. Abrasive or sticky

4. Velocity of material at that point

5. Is the transfer, conveyor to conveyor, or is there another component that needs to be considered.

6. If this is a moving head conveyor then distance travelled and what happens to the front and back of the chute needs to be considered.

Engicon specialises in correcting non-performing plants and low cost de-bottlenecking of systems.
Lyle Brown
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Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 26. May. 2007 - 12:07

Does is matter (it is causing any issues)?

Does it leak dust?

Does material impact on the gap?

Could you just fill it with silicon or some other gap fill material?

What about some UHMWPE or rubber cut to fit?

What about filling it with suitable plate steel or S/S packers of some description?

Regards,

Lyle

Lyle Brown
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Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 27. May. 2007 - 03:06

I forgot to mention earlier, if you have access to the design drawings, you could consider confirming the design location of the chute(s) relative to their current location.

Designers sometimes specify packers etc for uncertain actual TOS RL's, maybe they were specified then omitted during construction.

Chute lengths aren’t always as designed, so sometime the installer has to modify the design position to get it to fit / work.

Rectification after installation can be expensive and may not be worth it (some of the other methods may be more appropriate).

Regards,

Lyle

Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 28. May. 2007 - 03:10

Dear all, thanks for your replies.

In response to Dave Morgan:

The material being handled is Coal at moisture contents of around 25%. It is Coarse (quite bulky) in size, and abrasive. The estimated velocity of the material at that point is 5m/s, the transfer made is conveyor to silo and yes the head conveyor is moving.

In response to Lyle Brown

Does it matter? – Yes, see below

Does it leak dust? – Yes, this is the main issue

Does material impact on the gap? – No, this is not the case

I should elaborate on the design and what the issue is. The head conveyor is a shuttle, that is, it can move up and down rails in order to convey material into a silo or onto another conveyor. A more detailed picture can be seen here:



As you can see, the feed chute is bolted to the ground and the shuttle is free to move on the rails.

The gap between the head chute and the feed chute can be clearly seen. This gap extents all the around We want to bridge this gap, to prevent any dust leakage to the outside. However the “gap filler” needs to be a flexible type as the shuttle needs to be able to move on the rails.

Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 28. May. 2007 - 03:13

Use a rubber hose, drilled to bolt onto one of the flanges. It will handle abrasive?? coal.

John Gateley johngateley@hotmail.com www.the-credible-bulk.com

Lyle Brown
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Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 28. May. 2007 - 07:22

Maybe you could just affix some rubber (akin to skirting rubber) to the fixed section of the chute (or maybe the mobile) section to take up the gap.

What about that brush stuff you see on truck wheels (like broom bristles etc).

Are the chutes in the design position? Maybe you can reduce it a bit through packers etc (thought not without cost and schedule impact). It wouldnt solve your problem altogether.

Noting the photos I assume some form of guarding, is obscured, or is yet to be installed?

Regards,

Lyle

Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 28. May. 2007 - 10:38

Thank you for the additional information Alex.

Sealing the sides of the chute is quite easy. Use vertically mounted rubber strips as Lyle and John has suggested however you will get better results if you create a cam effect where the strip is moved into the sealing position by the mating section. The seal can be made inside or outside the chute depending on site conditions and retro fit constraints. For the front and back of the chutes create a shallow angled V (like an inverted piece of MS angle opened up). This will allow the front and back strips to ride up the steel and seal. Don't make these pieces to high or the seals to stiff as the seals will jam the chute when the head is reversed.

I'm surprised that you get dust at 25% moisture.... The coal should be like a slop at this level. I assume that you have a greatly varying moisture level and this is the worst case for other considerations.

The other aspect that you should look at is the silo. The most probable reason for getting the dust problem is that the silo is not vented. Are you sure that the dust is coming from the joints that you mention and not from the open mouth of the other silo inlet that has no chute over it?

Engicon specialises in correcting non-performing plants and low cost de-bottlenecking of systems.

Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 31. May. 2007 - 09:56

thank you all for your replies and help!

johngateley, could you elaborate on the rubber hose?

I am imagening a rubber hose, which is cut open and then attached to the top flange via some small bolts?

Lyle Brown, to ease your mind, guarding will be installed.

Dave Morgan, the dust is due to the falling material.

There's another problem. On the other side of the shuttle, is the service door for a belt cleaner.



What possible dust leak prevention could be used in this scenario? It's not feasible to attach the rubber on the inside of the feed chute, as the wear would be too great.

Thanks for all your help and comments so far.

Lyle Brown
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Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 31. May. 2007 - 10:58

I assume the hole (black circumference) will be filled with the scraper bar (hence dust emissions shouldn’t be an issue)?

The other "penetration" appears to be a seal dedicated for inspection purposes, hence assuming it is "sealed" there shouldn’t be an issue?

Or are you referring to the horizontal opening behind the penetration?

What have I missed?

Regards,

Lyle

Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 1. Jun. 2007 - 02:56

I apologize for not being clear (yet again)

Please see this picture for more clarity:



Lyle Brown you are right, that the black hole and other hole are sealed during operation. However, as you can see from the picture, the belt cleaner assembly plate is attached directly onto the edge of the shuttle chute. Because of this, it's hard to attach a rubber plate to the feed chute to overlap the gap between the two chutes.

The other side of the assembly is exactly the same, except without the large belt cleaner assembly.

Lyle Brown
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Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 1. Jun. 2007 - 04:04

Can you hang (stand / erect) the seal from the "feed chute" instead?

How about between the "cleaner assembly" and "shuttle chute" (i.e. pack the cleaner assembly plate out the thickness of the seal)?

Would you consider trimming the "cleaner assembly" plate to obtain the required clearance at the bottom?

How about offsetting the seal from the chute the thickness of the “cleaner assembly” plate its complete length and going straight over the top of it?

How about hanging it from the trolley and sealing between it / the trolley and chute?

Regards,

Lyle

Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 1. Jun. 2007 - 05:52

Thanks for the speedy reply Lyle Brown.

With regards to a solution, I have attached a sketch of what I had in mind.



Like you said, it will be fastened to the "feed chute" and overlap the gap. This is for the OTHER side of the shuttle chute. As for the side which can be seen in my previous post, I am proposing something similar, but making the rubber just long enough to bridge the gap - is this feasible?

For the front gap, as seen in this picture:



I have found some nice brushes, custom made at

http://www.josco.com.au/JSF/brushpr...ipbrushes.htm

which can be welded onto the "feed chute" as well. However, the gap (according to design general arrangement drawings) is only 10 mm - this might be a bit more when the shuttle is installed properly. Is this a feasible solution?

We are in need of something that does not require replacement too often, and since its only dust, this shouldn't be such a bit issue. A deflector plate will be installed into the chute during later stages, this might help reduce dust emissions?

Thanks in advance and for all your kind help and guidance.

Lyle Brown
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Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 1. Jun. 2007 - 07:35

You may still have to make a protrusion on the shuttle chute to ensure a seal. You can decide.

Those brushes are the things, I was thinking of.

Regards,

Lyle

Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 1. Jun. 2007 - 10:40

Lyle, do you know those rubber/foam 'plates' you sticky tape around piping to insulate it? Do you think it would be feasible to stick something like that into that particular gap? What type of adhesive would be suitable to use?

I am considering this option, since the foam would wear away and take the profile of the gap, thus providing an effective seal.

Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 1. Jun. 2007 - 11:07

Alex.

I'm a little conserned about the lengths that you are going to seal the chute. The natural flow of coal into the silo should draw any dust with it providing that the silo is vented. If the silo is not vented the air displaced will try to get back out of the chute causing clouds from every opening. i.e. pulley shaft, main hood, rear section around return belt, etc. Trying to seal the chute will then be an endless task.

Engicon specialises in correcting non-performing plants and low cost de-bottlenecking of systems.
Lyle Brown
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Re: Bridging Chute Gaps

Erstellt am 1. Jun. 2007 - 01:57

An engineered solution (ventilation) would be nice.

You stated earlier that the moisture content was around 25 % (?), which I guess should settle most dust down (at least relatively). The moisture cut of for “dust generation” that I have previously heard quoted for coal, I thought were much lower than this.

The pipe insulation I am thinking of would be too brittle, though I suspect there are others and they may be suitable.

I guess I was thinking of extended rubber seals, that would but up against the shuttle chute of some description.

There are plenty of options and as you have the best view I suspect you can come up with something.

Have you had a look at some of the other installations on site, which may have similar issues / solutions?

Regards,

Lyle

Chute Dust Sealing.

Erstellt am 24. Aug. 2007 - 04:39

In reading your info I would suggest a treleborg seal with elastomer 5mm rubber. Cheap and very user friendly. Vibration is no problem also.

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