Pulley Width too Big for a Motor Shaft

Posted in: , on 26. May. 2010 - 20:44

Hi,

I was wondering if anybody knows any book or a formula, that would help me with my problem of the pulley overhang. We have Browning 2VP68 (3 in width) on a 5HP motor (2.75 in shaft). The keyway allows the pulley to go as far as it gets with the pulley overhanging by about 3/4 of an inch over the shaft.

Both belts are still on the shaft. I think this will work with no problem since the whole key is on the shaft and the pulley was designed for even up to 25HP, but I would like to know when would it be an issue and where could I be able to find any info on that or any formulas for the distance of the pulley being to wide and the shaft to short.

Thanks a lot, any help will be greatly appreciated.

Re: Pulley Width Too Big For A Motor Shaft

Posted on 26. May. 2010 - 06:55

I am assuming that are talking about a V-belt sheave and not a pulley and the P means that it is a variable pitch sheave.

I use the "rule of thumb" that the length of the bore NOT in contact with the shaft must be less than the diameter of the shaft. I would be more worried about the motor than the sheave.

You should confirm your dimensions and installation requirements with your motor manufacturer. He can tell you if your set-up will work - if he can't - it's time for a new supplier.

Also on a V-Belt drive the motor should have roller bearings and not ball bearings.

Coupled motor drive shaft = ball bearings

V-Belt motor drive shaft = Roller bearings

Not sure if that really applies to bearings on motors that small, I rarely use any motors under 100 HP.

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Re: Pulley Width Too Big For A Motor Shaft

Posted on 26. May. 2010 - 07:01

Well according to your rule of a thumb that would be correct, cause it's about 3/4 of an inch of a bore not being in contact and the shaft is 1 1/8.

I spoke with the motor manufacturer and they said it will work, but couldn't supply me with any formulas.

And yes we are talking about the V-belt sheave, although I think our motor has ball bearings. Is this critical to have roller bearings?

Re: Pulley Width Too Big For A Motor Shaft

Posted on 26. May. 2010 - 07:53
Quote Originally Posted by Gary BlenkhornView Post
Also on a V-Belt drive the motor should have roller bearings and not ball bearings.

Coupled motor drive shaft = ball bearings

V-Belt motor drive shaft = Roller bearings

Small motors are standard 'off-the-shelf' items. While you may be able to specify non-standard features i.e. special bearings, when the chips are down and you need a replacement in 2 days the non-standard will be 2 months.

Use off-the-shelf standard and save yourself grief

If the motor is from a reputable manufacturer he will tell you the max overhung load on the motor shaft and it's position on the shaft. If they can't go to a better motor supplier!

What is important is the position of the centreline of the belt load relative to position the manufacturer specifies his load on the shaft. You can calculate your effective bearing load based on the above data.

Re: Pulley Width Too Big For A Motor Shaft

Posted on 26. May. 2010 - 08:19

Is the overhung load calculated both ways:

1) when the shaft's length is longer than the width of a sheave (that's the one I saw mostly in other blogs)

2) when the shaft's length is shorter than the width of a sheave

Cause the torque for the setup of my driver sheave, driven sheave, center distance and motor horsepower I already calculated. We use Leesons motor, but I guess I will have to call the manufacturer again and ask them for that overhung load, cause I don't see it anywhere on their specs online.

Thanks a lot for your help.

Re: Pulley Width Too Big For A Motor Shaft

Posted on 26. May. 2010 - 10:09

(1) Take moments about the rotor non-drive end bearing to establish the bearing load in the drive end bearing using the quoted maximum overhung load and it's position on the shaft extension.

(2) Then take moments about the rotor non-drive end bearing using the resultant load from your belt drive and its position (which will be different to manufacturers position) and establish the bearing load in the drive end bearing. Your bearing load needs to be smaller (or equal) to that calculated in (1).

Re: Pulley Width Too Big For A Motor Shaft

Posted on 26. May. 2010 - 10:16

(1) Take moments about the rotor non-drive end bearing to establish the bearing load in the drive end bearing using the quoted maximum overhung load and it's position on the shaft extension.

(2) Then take moments about the rotor non-drive end bearing using the resultant load from your belt drive and its position (which will be different to manufacturers position) and establish the bearing load in the drive end bearing. Your bearing load needs to be smaller (or equal) to that calculated in (1).

Re: Pulley Width Too Big For A Motor Shaft

Posted on 14. Jun. 2010 - 09:24

Important note: Just because you have a belt drive does NOT necessarily mean that every motor must have a roller bearings. Typically, up to and including 25Hp you will very rarely find cylinder roller bearings. For this application you could also completely avoid the issue of overhang if you increased the diameter of both sheaves and narrowed the drive to 1 belt. In case this is already a single belt application this issue could also be due to the type bushing used. If so, I am further speculating that the current bushing has a shoulder. You could switch to a so called Taper Lock design that does not built as wide as the conventional ones.

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Re: Pulley Width Too Big For A Motor Shaft

Posted on 14. Jun. 2010 - 10:50

I didn't read in the posts from aregdo that he was using bushes?

Also I haven't come across your "conventional bushing", only the Fenner taperlock illustrated in the photographs (which I first knew in the 1960's)

http://www.fptgroup.com/fenner.asp?t...es&pageid=2668

Re: Pulley Width Too Big For A Motor Shaft

Posted on 15. Jun. 2010 - 02:21

Hello designer,

You are absolutely correct, the Taperloc ones have been around seemingly forever. In NorthAmerica neither this style nor Fenner are all that popular. TB Woods, Browning and Martin sell more the shoulder variety style bushings that are not interchangeable with Taperlock.

In the end it does not really matter. He needs to pick a method that solves the problem no matter what the style is anyway - where and what he buys or implements depends more on which continent he lives and works. Have a great rest of the week.

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