Pneumatic Conveying

famis
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Posted in: , on 14. Dec. 2004 - 08:29



I want to get a detailed description regarding the interlocks to be provided in a pneumatic conveying system.

Also now we are having vibrating fork type level switches for high level trip, but it is giving spurious alarms and trips and when we checked it, it is found to be okay. But the same problem is repeating. Can we use any other type of level switch so that we can avoid this problem.

Since I am new in this area, I would also like to know the scope of instrumentation in this area

Pneumatic Conveying

Erstellt am 14. Dec. 2004 - 03:45

RE Level switch:

Check the orientation of the gap in the forks is in line with the product/air flow this may help a lot. Alternatively if build up between the forks is the cause of the problem, we also manufacture a vibrating rod type device where orientation is not important.

If the product is adhereing to whatever device you use, then a non contact system could also be used, such as a microwave barrier (needs non conductive windows either side of pipe) or nucleonic switch (will work through almost any pipe and process material)

Thanks and Regards

Doug

www.vegacontrols.co.uk

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vib 61 (JPG)

Author
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Level Switches In Pneumatic Conveying

Erstellt am 14. Dec. 2004 - 04:37

We use many CLS200 capacitance switches for companies like Horizon Milling and Shick Tube Veyor in the Kansas City area. Dynamic Air uses many of our vibrating fork designs! I can be reached at 972-522-4544.

Jerry Boisvert

Siemens Energy & Automation

jerry.boisvert@siemens.com

Johnny Wheat
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Pneumatic Conveying Level Sensor

Erstellt am 14. Dec. 2004 - 05:17

We have supplied many RF Capacitance Style Level Sensors for pneumatic conveying applications. The Autoset RF Capacitance Sensor with material build up compensation is an ideal solution for your material detection requirements. Information can be found at www.go4b.com

Thanks,

4B Components Ltd

Greg DeRudder
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Point Level Sensors

Erstellt am 14. Dec. 2004 - 09:45

Please visit www.monitortech.com for a variety of point level sensors to choose from. You may contact us for assistance in product selection by telephone, email, or by our Technical Support Live Chat function available on our web site.

WHWilson
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Vibrating Level Switch False Signals

Erstellt am 14. Dec. 2004 - 10:57

Regarding the false signals from your vibrating level switches. We have used several brands and found most to be quite reliable. However, occasionally an issue arises regarding the thickness of the bin wall the switch is mounted in. If the metal is too thin, sometimes the bin will vibrate intermittently, rather than the probe, causing a false signal. This probalm can usually be corrected by adding some mass to the bin wall in the area of the switch.

Re: Pneumatic Conveying

Erstellt am 15. Dec. 2004 - 10:33

depending on the product consistency, the constant vibration of some tuning fork has been known to create small air pockets giving false signals. Most capacitance probes should avoid this problem. Other problems with pneumatic conveying systems is the product is aerated. when the high level is triggered the air is switched off and the product settles. You then find the silo is only half full. So when you choose a capacitance probe make sure it has the ability to ignore air/product mixtures and switch in the product only to maximise the fill capability.

john.slevin@hawker-electronics.co.uk

Hawker Electronics

Re: Pneumatic Conveying

Erstellt am 15. Dec. 2004 - 11:10

We got best results by using Vega-vibrating full signals, even for light and slighty humid ash from carbidge combustion by using VEGAVIB 51 indicator vibrating intesity can be adjusted.

www.intec-kohler.ch

famis
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Pneumatic Conveying Problem

Erstellt am 15. Dec. 2004 - 05:56

here we are facing some problems regarding the instrumentation side of pneumatic conveying, and expecting good solutions

1.silo filter pressure differntial switch and manometer is not reliable , how to make the same trouble free operation?

2.wearing of silo butterfly valve seat

3.stuck up problem in transfer line valve

Vibrating Level Switches

Erstellt am 15. Dec. 2004 - 06:27

can you please attach a drawing of the switch mounting?

How is it attached to the bin and where.

second what is the rest angle of your material .

third what is your materials density.

also if you can attach the sensor specs.

We might be able to help you out , use the same equipment .

Regards

marco

TECMEN Consultant in: Sponge Iron (DRI) handling Sponge Iron DRI Automated Storage Firefighting and Root Cause Analysis Pneumatic Conveying Consultants Phone 5281 8300 4456.

Instrumentation In Pneumatic Conveyoing.

Erstellt am 15. Dec. 2004 - 06:32

A good book to get you involved in the field can be Klinzing, Marcus Rizc Pneumatic Conveying Technology, or something like that , try s asearc with Roy Marcus as author and then Jorge Klinzing they are prolifiv writers I am sure you will find what you need there.

Regards

Marco

TECMEN Consultant in: Sponge Iron (DRI) handling Sponge Iron DRI Automated Storage Firefighting and Root Cause Analysis Pneumatic Conveying Consultants Phone 5281 8300 4456.
andrew
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Re: Pneumatic Conveying

Erstellt am 16. Dec. 2004 - 08:55

My recommendation is don't rush out and buy a new switch.

The problem could be exactly the same for all the switches mentioned. In addition to all the other good tips check that you are not getting too much material falling down on to the forks from above. If the switch is mounted from the side it should be angled down about 20 degrees with the thin end of the forks upside. This stops build up generally but you still may get some if the product is sticky, building up on the silo wall or the moisture changes significantly. Sometimes a vibrating fork has a sliding sleeve which can stop this build up on the forks.

If the switch is installed on the silo roof then build up should not be a problem unless there is a lot of sticky dust during filling or it is too close to a filling nozzle.

Check the premature switching is not during the filling or emptying cycles.

Check out the attached file which has troubleshooting info on these switches

regards

Andrew Reese

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fork switch (ZIP)

Afriso Eurogauge
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Re: Pneumatic Conveying

Erstellt am 16. Dec. 2004 - 12:18

We supply capacitance switches as an alternative to vibrating forks. Capacitance switches are not affected by plant vibration and therefore offer a very reliable solution for this type of application.

Can I suggest you visit our website: www.eurogauge.co.uk and view under Section 'C'

Paul Smith

Afriso Eurogauge Limited

Imberhorne Lane

East Grinstead

West Sussex, RH19 1RF

Tel. 01342-323641

Re: Pneumatic Conveying

Erstellt am 21. Dec. 2004 - 06:02

Dear Famis,

I assume you have a dilute phase system with a rotary valve. If it is, you should have the following interlocks and controls as a minimum:

1. Run rotary valve only if the blower has been running for a few minutes with an empty line.

2. During operation, if the blower discharge pressure is too high, rotary valve shuts down automatically and the blower continues to run for a few minutes. This is done so that the line gets cleared-up and the pressure drop comes down to normal.

3. If blower pressure drops to normal, rotary valve starts automatically.

4. If the blower pressure does not drop to normal, rotary valve does not re-start and a "system down" alarm comes on.

Regards,

A. T. Agarwal

Consulting Engineer

Pneumatic Conveying Technologies

polypcc@aol.com

Ph and Fax:304 346 5125

Instrumentation.

Erstellt am 9. Feb. 2005 - 03:56

Try reading Klinzing Marcus and Risk book on pneumatic conveying . There is a section on instrumentation.

I have had also problems with vibrating levell sensors and capacitance , Vibrating sensor will work well if properly located , we have a redundant loop with the dosiffier turn counter and time , in some plants , we installed radiation levell sensors as the product (metalic particles) was hot. there was some initial problem with the location of the source.

By the way cant you eliminate the sensors ?

there are valves available that will work fine with a static column, of solids trough them.

try purging your pressure differential lines before taking a reading.

Regards

Marco

marco

TECMEN Consultant in: Sponge Iron (DRI) handling Sponge Iron DRI Automated Storage Firefighting and Root Cause Analysis Pneumatic Conveying Consultants Phone 5281 8300 4456.