P&ID Symbol for Intrinsically Safe Devices

Posted in: , on 8. Feb. 2011 - 03:51

G'day,

This is probably slightly out of left field, but I recently had to prepare P&ID's for a processing plant manufacturing herbicides. On the instrumentation side I had to show Intrinsically safe barriers and multiplexers. The only problem was that I could not locate any symbology that was appropriate. Even the manufacturers of these components had no idea as to how to indicate their products on a P&ID.

I thought I'd ask this here. Does anyone know of any standard symbols for Intrinsically Safe devices for P&ID's?

Thanks.

[I]Ian A. White, MIEAust. CPEng. RPEQ WAI Engineering [URL="http://www.wai.com.au"]www.wai.com.au[/URL][/I]

Re: P&Id Symbol For Intrinsically Safe Devices

Posted on 10. Feb. 2011 - 01:52

Dear Mr.Waiwhite,

I have seen few P&ID drawings of conveyors. There were small circles at different places at different lengths of the conveyor. In side the circles, abbreviations were mentioned like PS, BS, ZSS etc.,

At the below of the drawing the expanded forms of those abbreviations were written like,

PS : pullcord switch

BS : belt sway switch

ZSS : Zero speed switch etc.,

Thanks & regards,

Re: P&Id Symbol For Intrinsically Safe Devices

Posted on 10. Feb. 2011 - 09:53

Thanks, however the information does not cover it.

I have been a Professional Engineer for 35 years, but when I was doing the P&ID's, it was the first time I ever heard of this.

Essentially, an intrinsically safe device is one that can be safely operated in an explosive atmosphere. On this job there were Intrinsically Safe Barriers and Intrinsically Safe Multiplexers. As an example, the control for a motor drive would be passed from the PLC to the motor with an intrinsically safe barrier device located in the control room. The barrier was there to prevent/isolate the potential ignition source from the potentially explosive atmosphere. An intrinsically safe multiplexer is a device that can pass multiple controls.

In the days of dialup modems, they were required to be fitted with opto-couplers to make sure that if something went horribly wrong with the modem, the low voltage telephone system was isolated from the high voltage power supply system.

Many intrinsically safe devices come with a "schematic" of the device on a label. The only problem was that each device from a different manufacturer used different symbols to indicate this.

The best "compromise" I could come up was to use a rectangle of about 3:1 proportions with a double diagonal line through it. The controls connect to the short sides. For an intrinsically safe multiplexer, one of the formed triangles was filled in.

So far, all those installing the equipment have been able to understand this, however my client and I are trying to find some standardised backing for what we have used as this may end up being used elsewhere around the globe.

I don't want to believe that a P&ID element could be devised without an appropriate symbol.

My reason for posting this here was that these devices have ATEX certification.

Thanks.

[I]Ian A. White, MIEAust. CPEng. RPEQ WAI Engineering [URL="http://www.wai.com.au"]www.wai.com.au[/URL][/I]

Bang Go The Regulations.

Posted on 12. Feb. 2011 - 11:13

This is a very good topic. ATEX seems to have been caught out for the moment. Some will fall back on the data sheets and that isn't quite good enough for construction purposes: as you rightly point out. Do ATEX have any plans that you know of?