Twin Boom Stacker - Luffing Motor

Posted in: , on 1. Apr. 2011 - 09:07

In case of Twin boom stacker, is there is any requirement of Two nos motor for each boom in safety point of view.If situation comes when one motor fails or trips due to some overloading, another motor comes into action & perform the luffing operation of the boom from which material is discharging.Pl share your ideas.

SOMNATH KUNDU

Lyle Brown
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Re: Twin Boom Stacker - Luffing Motor

Posted on 2. Apr. 2011 - 01:02

Don't understand your application, though what happens if (when) the power fails?

Suggest you consider a / some fail safe brake /s of some description.

Regards,

Lyle

No

Posted on 2. Apr. 2011 - 12:13

No. As Lyle intimates; you just stop. Hoist or conveyor motor, its all the same outcome.

A.N.Mukherjee
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Tbs Luff Motor

Posted on 11. Apr. 2011 - 02:07

TBS are normally used where blending of ore required. As it is a equipment to staging material another equipment for reclaiming the blended ore is mandatory. So some times the TBS Boom (which is not in O/P )will cross over the Reclaimer. To cross over -the non operating Boom have to be Luff up to 16-17Deg.to clear the Reclaimer. The boom in operation will be at much lower deg. thus the drive pulley C/L distance and level will very in respect to the angle of boom.So same drive for either boom is not fissile.

Regards,

ANM

Roland Heilmann
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Answer + Answer Back

Posted on 14. Apr. 2011 - 12:49

It would be great if you could share out a bit more information about your application.

Nevertheless & assuming rope luffing: Pls. consult FEM II clause 4.2.2, you will see requirements towards rope safety levels. Assuming you have a twin rope system, your rope safety factor is half that of a single rope system --> thinner rope --> smaller drum --> less big & heavy gearbox + motor. Yes, there will be doubly the number, but there may have been reasons for that. Put it another way: If one rope / luffing system fails, the other one holds. Another bonus is, that rope change may be performed without a fixed setting up of the boom just using the other system to hold.

If you have two motors to a single gearbox, now that is uncommon to me, as you have another motor where another brake should have been. Does, if existing at all, this motor is running on standby or under load? However, two brakes per luffing system is surely the right way, and if possible one of them working on the drum itself.

Please, answer back to this forum.

R.

Re: Twin Boom Stacker - Luffing Motor

Posted on 20. Apr. 2011 - 08:48
Quote Originally Posted by Roland HeilmannView Post
It would be great if you could share out a bit more information about your application.

Nevertheless & assuming rope luffing: Pls. consult FEM II clause 4.2.2, you will see requirements towards rope safety levels. Assuming you have a twin rope system, your rope safety factor is half that of a single rope system --> thinner rope --> smaller drum --> less big & heavy gearbox + motor. Yes, there will be doubly the number, but there may have been reasons for that. Put it another way: If one rope / luffing system fails, the other one holds. Another bonus is, that rope change may be performed without a fixed setting up of the boom just using the other system to hold.

If you have two motors to a single gearbox, now that is uncommon to me, as you have another motor where another brake should have been. Does, if existing at all, this motor is running on standby or under load? However, two brakes per luffing system is surely the right way, and if possible one of them working on the drum itself.

Please, answer back to this forum.

R.

My question is. it will be a safe design if two motor ( one working & another stand by) are used in the same gear box (both input side gear box)?Because TBS is used for formation of Chevron layer & after each cycle (travel of stacker along the stockpile length) luffing of boom is necessary for formation of next layer, failure of luffing motor can hamper the opeartion.Pl share yours valuable ideas.

With best regards

S.KUNDU

Roland Heilmann
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My Op

Posted on 28. Apr. 2011 - 12:49

Dear Mr. Kundu,

in my opinion: An electric motor of customary dimensions / power is not that hard to obtain. Why not have a 24 h - delivery contact, or even a spare motor tucked safely into a shelf somewhere, secured from sudden disappearance? And when the day of necessity comes, a mechanic can replace any broken down motor quite swiftly, i think.

A in - place mounted secondary / backup motor will be exposed to environment and not getting better from that. Furthermore the live motor will have to turn the inert masses of the standby motor all the time, that makes up constant op. costs.

However, some clients / operators could be demanding extreme availability.

Last but not least: As mentioned earlier, a twin rope system would have very good availability + offering emergency op capabilities + very highly rated safety conditions.

In the end: An electric motor of sufficient quality (brand) + correctly designed power range will also have excellent availability characteristics... and it will be far from being the only source of trouble, if it comes to that.

So we arrive at last at the idea of a complete drive unit as a spare part against all odds.

R.

Drive For Twin Boom Stacker

Posted on 21. Dec. 2011 - 06:24

Dear Mr. S. Kundu,

We provide duel brake in the boom hoist drive for safety reasons. I do not find any reason to provede duel drive in boom hoisting.

Regards.

A.Banerjee

Dear Mr. A.N. Mukherjee,

How TBS is directly related to blending efficiency?

Regards.

A.Banerjee

Two Motors For Luffing!

Posted on 22. Dec. 2011 - 01:24

Sir,

Electric motors are very reliable. Luffing operation is not a continuos one. Why think of a second motor? What if gear box fails? What if power fails?

vinayak sathe 15, Rangavi Estate, Dabolim Airport 403801, Goa, India vinayak.sathe@gmail.com

Re: Twin Boom Stacker - Luffing Motor

Posted on 16. Apr. 2013 - 07:02

Hello Somnath Kundu,

The machine will have 2 luffing winch drive, one for each boom, often winch placed in machine mid portion, upper most level.

The winch drive will have a brake, which will always be in braking mode, except when motor is switched on for luffing motion. The braking action is by spring or gravity, independent of power supply (usual operation style for the brake).

As suggested by earlier respondent, if you feel unsafe with one brake, then provide 100% rating two brakes (acting on both the ends of the input shaft or on extra interim brake shaft). If you provide brake on winch shaft, its safety will be somewhat more because it is free from gearbox failure but brakes will be of very big size. You can also think of self locking worm gear box (along with pinion and spur gear pair for necessary ratio) and one brake. It is equivalent to 2 brakes for safety consideration.

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