Lateral Vibration

Posted in: , on 19. Apr. 2011 - 09:01

Dears,

I have tested a vibrating screen last week and had abnormal vibration which I can not explain how happened.

So I would like to explain you what I have seen and I would be pleased if inform me about your idea or experience for similar cases:

1- the vibrating screen designed to work with linear force excitation from two vibrating motors which you can see in attached file motor installation on screen. Stroke angle is 45 degree and screen inclination about 10 degree.

But:

when we turn on motors:

vibration angle on side walls about 90 degree, approximately we didn't have any longitudinal vibration, why?! I don't know

high lateral vibration

as you can find in photo, motors has not synchronzed, why?! I don't know

2- I thought that the lateral vibration happened because of motors arrangement. so I tested it with other motors arrangement with circular excitation according to attached picture.

motors are not synchronized, why?! I don't know

lateral vibration exist but more lower than previous case

no material movement

thanks in advance for your guidance

Attachments

circular force (JPG)

linear force (JPG)

Vibrating Screen

Posted on 3. May. 2011 - 12:42
Quote Originally Posted by mohandesView Post
Dears,

I have tested a vibrating screen last week and had abnormal vibration which I can not explain how happened.

So I would like to explain you what I have seen and I would be pleased if inform me about your idea or experience for similar cases:

1- the vibrating screen designed to work with linear force excitation from two vibrating motors which you can see in attached file motor installation on screen. Stroke angle is 45 degree and screen inclination about 10 degree.

But:

when we turn on motors:

vibration angle on side walls about 90 degree, approximately we didn't have any longitudinal vibration, why?! I don't know

high lateral vibration

as you can find in photo, motors has not synchronzed, why?! I don't know

2- I thought that the lateral vibration happened because of motors arrangement. so I tested it with other motors arrangement with circular excitation according to attached picture.

motors are not synchronized, why?! I don't know

lateral vibration exist but more lower than previous case

no material movement

thanks in advance for your guidance

Mohandes

You can get this problem if your mechanisms rotate in the same direction - they should be running in opposite directions.

Regards

Ziggy Gregory

www.vibfem.com.au

Ziggy Gregory www.vibfem.com.au

Sceener Problems

Posted on 3. May. 2011 - 11:59

Namaskar,

Greetings and salutations Mohandes,

Seeing the excellent photos you provided Mohandes

I think all your problem is the position of the weights

as they are not positioned correctly and identically.

If your weights are not positioned identically you will

have one motor and its wieght opposing the other motor

and wieght while working and essentially stalling the

screens ability to screen aggregate.

If either of the wieghts is advanced past the locked position

of the other wieght this motor and wieght will always advance

the throw of the screen on this side farther countering and

canceling the the other motor and wieght.

When you turned the motors you effectively eliminated

any screening ability as the frame could not move.

Re: Lateral Vibration

Posted on 5. May. 2011 - 11:59
Quote Originally Posted by ziggyView Post
Mohandes

You can get this problem if your mechanisms rotate in the same direction - they should be running in opposite directions.

Regards

Ziggy Gregory

www.vibfem.com.au

Mohandes

I have noticed that you have two different positions for the mechanisms - you can't change the position as you want, the postion and rotation of the mechanisms then is dependend on the screen design and location of your mechanisms versus the centre of gravity.

Regards

Ziggy Gregory

Ziggy Gregory www.vibfem.com.au

Case Study And More Explanation

Posted on 10. May. 2011 - 07:43

thanks to your attention.

more explanation as below:

1- pictures show 2 arrangement of motors to obtain 2 mode of operation: Linear and circular

2- pictures taken during operation which motors rotate

3- pictures show that in none of the arrangement motors become synchronous

4- as motors did not synchronized, linear or circular had not obtained.

case study:

arrangement for linear mode:

it seems that for this arrangement of motors, as stiiffness of body in lateral direction is very low; natural frequency near to motor speed will be excited. So when the machine fall in natural frequency, motors will not synchronized. This is what I have observed during these days test.

arrangement for circular motion:

in this case we did not have lateral force. so I guessed that motors should be rotate synchronized, I mean motors should not have any differential phase in rotation. But as you can find in picture motors are not synchronized.

meanwhile I guess in this case we should have some motion of material to outlet. however motors are not installed in center of gravity, I guess only efficiency will be lower. but when I tested it, I found that matarial did not move even 1mm, why?

Case Study And More Explanation

Posted on 20. May. 2011 - 11:58

Mohandes

If you have the case of natural frequency you have following options:

- Impact test done to determine the natural frequencies and then stiffeners on the screen added/removed/changed

- install a frequency controller and find the correct operating frequency

- have FEA done to determine natural frequencies and feasible modifications to the screen - that should be actually done before screen design and that would most likely save you the trouble and cost now.

Regards

Ziggy Gregory

Ziggy Gregory www.vibfem.com.au

Comment On Your Problem......As I See It...

Posted on 23. May. 2011 - 08:44

CHECK OUT THIS LINK for helpful info:

http://www.jvivibratoryequipment.com...flowchart.html

Basically: Linear motion vibrators mean linear motion.....stroking plus minus 45 degree angle in a straight line stroke...to actually move the material up into the air and advance it down the screen from feed end to discharge end.

If too steep of angle, only defined in actual fact by a STROKE CHECK while running....material will NOT ADVANCE but, basically go up and down at say 90 degrees or even 60 degrees off ZERO degrees flat or horizontal plane and the material GOES NO WHERE...just humps up and down.

..................

LINEAR MOTION: weight setup as shown in pics......all weights on all rotating weighted wheels MUST MUST be exactly the same position or all heck will break loose. All we are in fact doing with those weights are loading up a STRONGER lift or eccentric STROKE or if subtracting the weight offsets, a lighter less agressive linear stroke and that is all.

.................

There are NO plug type weights that are pulled out of or added into that weigted wheel setup....hence no circular or elliptical stroke pattern could or would be added to the setup.

hoping that helps.

George Baker MODERATOR

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Solution

Posted on 1. Oct. 2011 - 03:30

we solve the problem.

we checked the finite element of the model once more and we found that the screen body has a natural frequency about 18Hz, while the working frequency is about 16Hz.

So we add a frequency convertor to motor electrical circuit, and reduce motor rotation from 1000 rpm to about 850rpm. In this case vibrating screen works very well without problem.

even maybe this is not a final solution, but make the screen in operation.

I hope this case study will be helpful for others.

Dear Mr Mohandes

Posted on 25. Feb. 2012 - 09:05

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