Air To Cloth Ratio

Posted in: , on 27. Oct. 2009 - 15:16

I am looking for some solid information regarding sizing the filtration area of a dust filter (jet pulse, bag).

Formula or table i look for should take into consideration the application, temperature, dust size, dust material and any other relavent information.

Thanks

Eran (Israel)

Air-To-Cloth Ratio

Posted on 27. Oct. 2009 - 11:52

The selection of filter cloth and cloth area is largely based on experience. If you have a very common application the selection is easy. Experienced filter bag suppliers will know what to offer. They will be conservative when the situation is uncommon and complicated.

There are very many variables to consider and no reliable theroretical methods.

Best to ask a filter bag supplier.

Michael Reid.

Air-To-Cloth Ratio

Posted on 27. Oct. 2009 - 11:52

The selection of filter cloth and cloth area is largely based on experience. If you have a very common application the selection is easy. Experienced filter bag suppliers will know what to offer. They will be conservative when the situation is uncommon and complicated.

There are very many variables to consider and no reliable theroretical methods.

Best to ask a filter bag supplier.

Michael Reid.

A/C Ratio

Posted on 2. Dec. 2009 - 09:58

MaterialLimestoneRaw mealClinkerCoalGypsumCement

A/C ratio (m3/min/m2)1.21.21.21.01.51.5

•The needle felt filter cloth should be made from high quality polyester fibres for standard applications and, from polyacrylnitrile fibres for applications handling moisture. The specific weight of the cloth shall be above 550 gm/m2.

A/C Ratio

Posted on 2. Dec. 2009 - 09:58

MaterialLimestoneRaw mealClinkerCoalGypsumCement

A/C ratio (m3/min/m2)1.21.21.21.01.51.5

•The needle felt filter cloth should be made from high quality polyester fibres for standard applications and, from polyacrylnitrile fibres for applications handling moisture. The specific weight of the cloth shall be above 550 gm/m2.

Re: Air To Cloth Ratio

Posted on 2. Dec. 2009 - 11:43

for limestone with air flow (9,000 m3/h)

From your experience, what is the right A/C?

Re: Air To Cloth Ratio

Posted on 2. Dec. 2009 - 11:43

for limestone with air flow (9,000 m3/h)

From your experience, what is the right A/C?

Acr

Posted on 2. Dec. 2009 - 12:05

Client / boss are always Right.

There is no technical reason of selecting low ACR, which could even go up to 1.5.

Client may have following in his mind:

Not disclosing his actual requirement, he may use for coal occasionally with same set of equipment.

Environment is very dusty, may avoid frequent change of bags or allow BF to run with damage bags.

Similar bags were in their stock.

Some person have tendency to prove other wrong and enjoy on purchaser (owner of plant) cost to buy bigger machines to avoid maintance work.

Regards

Acr

Posted on 2. Dec. 2009 - 12:05

Client / boss are always Right.

There is no technical reason of selecting low ACR, which could even go up to 1.5.

Client may have following in his mind:

Not disclosing his actual requirement, he may use for coal occasionally with same set of equipment.

Environment is very dusty, may avoid frequent change of bags or allow BF to run with damage bags.

Similar bags were in their stock.

Some person have tendency to prove other wrong and enjoy on purchaser (owner of plant) cost to buy bigger machines to avoid maintance work.

Regards

Calvin.wck
(not verified)

Re: Air To Cloth Ratio

Posted on 18. Dec. 2009 - 09:56

Hi all,

what I think, lower A/C ratio, it is ok since enough filter area. This will increase the capital cost. However, how about the bag filter life? For my perception without proof yet, the life should be longer and save maintenance cost.

Let's move on the optimum A/C ratio, I understand it is based on many trail and experience. But could I know how to determine the best or better ratio?

Let say for cement is 1.2, how it is better than 1.5?

Haha. Thank you anyone can answer me and take me for more understanding

Cheers. Calvin

Calvin.wck
(not verified)

Re: Air To Cloth Ratio

Posted on 18. Dec. 2009 - 09:56

Hi all,

what I think, lower A/C ratio, it is ok since enough filter area. This will increase the capital cost. However, how about the bag filter life? For my perception without proof yet, the life should be longer and save maintenance cost.

Let's move on the optimum A/C ratio, I understand it is based on many trail and experience. But could I know how to determine the best or better ratio?

Let say for cement is 1.2, how it is better than 1.5?

Haha. Thank you anyone can answer me and take me for more understanding

Cheers. Calvin

Calvin.wck
(not verified)

Air-To-Cloth Ratio For Fly Ash

Posted on 18. Dec. 2009 - 09:59

Fly ash is from power plant.

Fly ash might or might not be grinded.

I want to ask how is A/C ratio affected by the size of fly ash?

And What A/C ratio is recommended for raw fly ash without grinding?

Thank you

Calvin - Process engineer from Cement plant

Calvin.wck
(not verified)

Air-To-Cloth Ratio For Fly Ash

Posted on 18. Dec. 2009 - 09:59

Fly ash is from power plant.

Fly ash might or might not be grinded.

I want to ask how is A/C ratio affected by the size of fly ash?

And What A/C ratio is recommended for raw fly ash without grinding?

Thank you

Calvin - Process engineer from Cement plant

Air To Cloth Ratio

Posted on 13. Jan. 2010 - 08:21

HI CAVIN,

YOU ARE RIGHT. LET ME EXPLAIN THIS TO SOME EXTEND. WHEN YOU USE LOWER A/C RATIO, PROBABLY THE NUMBER OF BAGS WILL BE MORE AND THE QUANTITY OF AIR AND DUST HANDLED BY EACH SQ MTR AREA OF BAG WILL BE LESS. SO THE BAG LIFE WILL BE EXTENDED SUBSTANTIALLY BECAUSE LESS MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES FOR SATISFACTORY PERFORMANCE OF BAG FILTERS. IF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION ARISES, LOW A/C RATION PLAY SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN DESIGNING AND SELECTION OF BAGS AND THEIR NUMBERS.

1. 11000 CMH AIR VOLUME WITH 1500 mg/Nm3 and

2. 11000 CMH AIR VOLUME WITH 500 mg/Nm3 irrespective of any medium

Regards

S. CHANDRAKANTHAN




Quote Originally Posted by Calvin.wckView Post
Hi all,

what I think, lower A/C ratio, it is ok since enough filter area. This will increase the capital cost. However, how about the bag filter life? For my perception without proof yet, the life should be longer and save maintenance cost.

Let's move on the optimum A/C ratio, I understand it is based on many trail and experience. But could I know how to determine the best or better ratio?

Let say for cement is 1.2, how it is better than 1.5?

Haha. Thank you anyone can answer me and take me for more understanding

Cheers. Calvin

Air To Cloth Ratio

Posted on 13. Jan. 2010 - 08:21

HI CAVIN,

YOU ARE RIGHT. LET ME EXPLAIN THIS TO SOME EXTEND. WHEN YOU USE LOWER A/C RATIO, PROBABLY THE NUMBER OF BAGS WILL BE MORE AND THE QUANTITY OF AIR AND DUST HANDLED BY EACH SQ MTR AREA OF BAG WILL BE LESS. SO THE BAG LIFE WILL BE EXTENDED SUBSTANTIALLY BECAUSE LESS MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES FOR SATISFACTORY PERFORMANCE OF BAG FILTERS. IF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION ARISES, LOW A/C RATION PLAY SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN DESIGNING AND SELECTION OF BAGS AND THEIR NUMBERS.

1. 11000 CMH AIR VOLUME WITH 1500 mg/Nm3 and

2. 11000 CMH AIR VOLUME WITH 500 mg/Nm3 irrespective of any medium

Regards

S. CHANDRAKANTHAN




Quote Originally Posted by Calvin.wckView Post
Hi all,

what I think, lower A/C ratio, it is ok since enough filter area. This will increase the capital cost. However, how about the bag filter life? For my perception without proof yet, the life should be longer and save maintenance cost.

Let's move on the optimum A/C ratio, I understand it is based on many trail and experience. But could I know how to determine the best or better ratio?

Let say for cement is 1.2, how it is better than 1.5?

Haha. Thank you anyone can answer me and take me for more understanding

Cheers. Calvin

serdman
(not verified)

Re: Air To Cloth Ratio

Posted on 16. Feb. 2010 - 12:18

Dudes,

We deal with concrete ingredients like cement flyash silica fume sand and rock. I've found that A/C ratio is not that important. 7:1 is high and you'll get premature blinding but your dust collector probably will fail due to localized high airspeeds and/or high can velocity.

Take care to understand can velocity, A/C ratio and the reverse pulse. these all work together, people talk A/C alot because most bag houses have the same geometery and more cloth usually means bigger baghouse.

Word

serdman
(not verified)

Re: Air To Cloth Ratio

Posted on 16. Feb. 2010 - 12:18

Dudes,

We deal with concrete ingredients like cement flyash silica fume sand and rock. I've found that A/C ratio is not that important. 7:1 is high and you'll get premature blinding but your dust collector probably will fail due to localized high airspeeds and/or high can velocity.

Take care to understand can velocity, A/C ratio and the reverse pulse. these all work together, people talk A/C alot because most bag houses have the same geometery and more cloth usually means bigger baghouse.

Word

Air To Cloth Ratio

Posted on 22. Dec. 2010 - 08:24

In general, the lower the ratio, the better performance, and the longer filter life you will get. While there are certain conditions that lead to you needing to change the standard around a bit, in general for a pulse jet, you really should be somewhere around 6:1.

We have an article on our site that provides a nice overview of this topics: http://www.qfilter.com/res/The-Encyc...tion/detail/15

Air To Cloth Ratio

Posted on 22. Dec. 2010 - 08:24

In general, the lower the ratio, the better performance, and the longer filter life you will get. While there are certain conditions that lead to you needing to change the standard around a bit, in general for a pulse jet, you really should be somewhere around 6:1.

We have an article on our site that provides a nice overview of this topics: http://www.qfilter.com/res/The-Encyc...tion/detail/15

Air To Cloth

Posted on 7. Mar. 2017 - 07:39

There are a couple of key factors when sizing your collector. air to cloth is one of them. Please dont ever go up to 7:1 or your client will hate you in the end for wasting all his money. Also noted earlier but not clearly defined, can velocity is also important. Cartridge filters are gaining in popularity but in the end over the life of your equipment capital cost does not represent such a large part of your overall cost and you are probably better off with bags

Air To Cloth

Posted on 7. Mar. 2017 - 07:39

There are a couple of key factors when sizing your collector. air to cloth is one of them. Please dont ever go up to 7:1 or your client will hate you in the end for wasting all his money. Also noted earlier but not clearly defined, can velocity is also important. Cartridge filters are gaining in popularity but in the end over the life of your equipment capital cost does not represent such a large part of your overall cost and you are probably better off with bags